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Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 14, 2020, 04:39:56 PM ---It's possible real Nemesis was also tainted by Adversary once upon a time.

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I like this, mostly because the usage of the word Nemesis changed at some point from 'harbinger of just retribution' to 'implacable enemy'. I can't find anything on the timing of the usage change, but it'd be interesting if it coincided with Nemesis the goddess being infected and changing her nature.

We've seen infection twist the purpose of those infected. Aurora goes from bound to balance, to striving for imbalance. Maeve was less drastic, keeping her personality but removing the lying restriction. If something similar was done to Nemesis the goddess, like say taking away the 'just' part of her retribution, then she could attack anyone or anything. Do that enough and you'll be known not for retribution, but as an enemy.

Bad Alias:
It could be that Nemesis was the first detected infection by Beside, and the name stuck to Beside.

The_Sibelis:
I think it boils down to cosmic law, or decree I guess. Whomever didn't want Gods meddling in mortal affairs anymore. Nemesis didn't like hubris, hubris in the DF has been described as free will, the overturning of Fate. So when it was decided that humans should have free reign, her continuing actions corrupted her. Like when the naagloshi choose to stay even though they were supposed to move on, instant corruption. Interestingly Nemesis's etruscan counterpart, Nortia, is known for her association with nails and 'the inevitable fate of humanity as decided yearly with the ceremony of the nail.. I'm still not so sure the nails aren't capable of falling or have not risen from what they used to represent with the crucifixion.
Also still banking on a connection between Lachesis and Nemesis, and mortal magic..
@bad alias, that's an interesting thought on it..

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on November 22, 2020, 02:37:46 PM ---nope, they're holding on by their most basic names and identity.. so basic they have to take little scraps of creation to make a body of their own.
Oh, and olympian bronze... Is part of reality. Though lumping them together is accurate, it's really all about will power. Reality is so foreign to them it has trouble interacting.

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The implication I got was that the combination of reality (life) in the form of Olympian Bronze and Mordite (anti-life) into the alloy of Titanic Bronze is what made Ethniu so invulnerable both to magic and physical assault. I suspect that Olympian Bronze would only stop physical assault really.

But you are correct in that it's all really about will. Divine power (in large enough doses) combined with a strong enough will is enough to get through anything. Cleary the Olympians and other gods must have once held that power (Vadderung included) otherwise they would never have beaten their predecessors. But as the "new" gods faded I suppose their will and power went with it. Harry even expounds on this when discussing how to attack Ethniu with the Erlking and Vadderung etc.

As for Nemesis...while I still think it is possible the old gods ended up as Outsiders, I think it's more likely that the Outsiders are something else. Something more alien.

TheCuriousFan:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on November 23, 2020, 09:38:33 AM ---The implication I got was that the combination of reality (life) in the form of Olympian Bronze and Mordite (anti-life) into the alloy of Titanic Bronze is what made Ethniu so invulnerable both to magic and physical assault. I suspect that Olympian Bronze would only stop physical assault really.

But you are correct in that it's all really about will. Divine power (in large enough doses) combined with a strong enough will is enough to get through anything. Cleary the Olympians and other gods must have once held that power (Vadderung included) otherwise they would never have beaten their predecessors. But as the "new" gods faded I suppose their will and power went with it. Harry even expounds on this when discussing how to attack Ethniu with the Erlking and Vadderung etc.

As for Nemesis...while I still think it is possible the old gods ended up as Outsiders, I think it's more likely that the Outsiders are something else. Something more alien.

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Well yeah, they're non-dimensional things that consider the universe in general a constant disruption.

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