The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Wait, How Did Warden Ramirez Know About...? - From PT
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 02, 2020, 04:09:05 AM ---Maybe...Marcone did have Gard help with the defences.
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The wards in place were similar to the ones on Demonreach. They could have been from Merlin. Marcone also had Namshiel. I don't know if Gard was adding a whole lot in magic department at that point.
Another point is that the wards probably weren't fully armed because Marcone had guests coming and going.
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 02, 2020, 04:09:05 AM ---Maybe...Marcone did have Gard help with the defences. While Harry might get better ones, truth is that Ethniu is a power both older and greater than Mab and such beings. She seemingly had most of her full power, she was armoured in nigh-invulnerable plot armour and armed with a super-weapon. Gods have constantly been used a reference point for beings that could smash down seemingly impregnable locations (Arctis Tor, crossing a strong threshold and still have plenty of mojo, Edinburgh etc). It might hold a bit longer but I doubt if the God was prepared Harry could do much about it. As Ethniu was.
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I think Ethniu with the eye could storm Demonreach despite Harry being on the Island and the wards all turned on. It may take a few shots but I think it would get the job done. As far as Marcone and the wards goes they probably selected the wards that they did to protect specifically against the Fomor.
--- Quote ---Not sure that he will create wards. He still needs families living there to build a strong enough threshold to build on. Even so, the wards are already there. All he has to do is activate what's still working. The problem he has is what does he do about the one that were destroyed?
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I wonder if the threshold of a Castle moves with it? If this building is centuries old and had a student of Merlin as well as the Twyleth Teg put wards down they may just need to get turned on and can run off the power stored in the stones.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on December 02, 2020, 05:07:00 PM ---The wards in place were similar to the ones on Demonreach. They could have been from Merlin. Marcone also had Namshiel. I don't know if Gard was adding a whole lot in magic department at that point.
Another point is that the wards probably weren't fully armed because Marcone had guests coming and going.
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Do you remember Gard's ward on her locker at the train station? Ward's are something she can do, arguably better than Harry. Her job for Marcone is as a consultant so I expect that she was giving him the bulk of the advice. She didn't need to place any wards on the castle; they already were there. I suspect Marcone has been keeping Namshiel under wraps for a while, I doubt he wanted to reveal that even at the end. Marcone, like all of the really clever guys, keeps his cards close to his chest. I suspect he didn't let Gard in on that. Which isn't to say she didn't know. But I am sure he was playing dumb about a few things in order to just be the little old Baron, not a Knight of the Blackened Denarius. Particularly because Gard has quite strong feelings about those guys - as does Vadderung I am sure.
--- Quote from: K.L.O.E. on December 03, 2020, 01:14:37 AM ---I think Ethniu with the eye could storm Demonreach despite Harry being on the Island and the wards all turned on. It may take a few shots but I think it would get the job done. As far as Marcone and the wards goes they probably selected the wards that they did to protect specifically against the Fomor.
I wonder if the threshold of a Castle moves with it? If this building is centuries old and had a student of Merlin as well as the Twyleth Teg put wards down they may just need to get turned on and can run off the power stored in the stones.
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Perhaps, she was very strong. Although Sharkface couldn't get through on brute force either...and why he arguably wasn't as strong as Ethniu (at that moment) he is still a heavy hitter. But then again, Alfred was specifically made for capturing beings like Ethniu (and by Harry's own admission Ethniu isn't the biggest thing on Demonreach, by some margin). I suspect she would be pretty loathe to attack Harry on Demonreach unless she was desperate or had a cleverer approach. The wards were there to protect against any supernatural threat - the insult to the Fomor was written above the entrance to make a point that Marcone wasn't afraid of them (which he clearly underestimated).
WOJ is that Marcone had to move a bunch of families in as there was no threshold in order for the wards to work. I suspect it comes down to when the the home is either destroyed or no longer a home, the threshold is destroyed too. It's people that create the thresholds after all. I suspect caves had them originally.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on December 03, 2020, 02:57:19 AM ---Do you remember Gard's ward on her locker at the train station? Ward's are something she can do.
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So? Doesn't mean she helped him with the wards or that the wards were Gard's. She may have helped. I highly doubt they were her wards.
--- Quote ---Whoever had constructed this place, they’d warded it at least as heavily as the defenses of the White Council’s own headquarters under Edinburgh. I could have hurled Power at this place all the ding-dong day, and it would have about as much effect as tossing handfuls of sand at sheet metal. It was similarly fortified against spiritual intrusion, with the only possible access points being the heavily armored entryways—and even those had been improved upon since I’d slipped my immaterial self through an open door.
Nothing was getting in now. The castle would make one hell of a defensive position.
Or, some nasty, suspicious part of me said, nothing was getting out, making it one hell of a trap.
“Huh,” Ebenezar said, squinting at the castle. “That’s old work. Real old.”
“Our people, you think?” I asked him.
“Nnngh,” he said, which meant that he didn’t think so. “Maybe Tylwyth Teg. Maybe even Tuatha.”
“Tuatha?”
The old man’s mouth curled up at one corner, and his eyes were thoughtful and approving. “The ancient enemy of the Fomor,” he said.
“Ah,” I said. “Statements are being made.”
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Emphasis added. So maybe it was as hard to blow her way out as it would have been to blow her way in.
There's a lot of contradictions in that quote. It implies that the wards were done by whoever constructed the Castle, but also that some of them weren't there when Harry was there in GS. The quote also implies Harry wasn't invited in that time. He was. The quote further implies that the wards were done by beings from either Welsh or Irish folklore. I'm not sure whether or not the Tautha are considered fairies in the Dresden Files. I'm not sure if there even extant.
This is also the quote that forgets that Harry was there in SG and that it's the Brighter Future Society.
Anybody have the quote about the wards from Battle Ground? I haven't gotten a digital copy of that one yet.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on December 03, 2020, 06:37:14 PM ---So? Doesn't mean she helped him with the wards or that the wards were Gard's. She may have helped. I highly doubt they were her wards.
Emphasis added. So maybe it was as hard to blow her way out as it would have been to blow her way in.
There's a lot of contradictions in that quote. It implies that the wards were done by whoever constructed the Castle, but also that some of them weren't there when Harry was there in GS. The quote also implies Harry wasn't invited in that time. He was. The quote further implies that the wards were done by beings from either Welsh or Irish folklore. I'm not sure whether or not the Tautha are considered fairies in the Dresden Files. I'm not sure if there even extant.
This is also the quote that forgets that Harry was there in SG and that it's the Brighter Future Society.
Anybody have the quote about the wards from Battle Ground? I haven't gotten a digital copy of that one yet.
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--- Quote ---She shook her head. “Have you noticed all the enchantments on the place?” Molly asked skeptically. “There is some really old stuff here that is still working.”
In point of fact, I had Bob going over the entire thing now for an in-depth assessment. The defensive systems built into the castle had been laid up by a wizard with a particularly thorough breed of the crazies. My first read was that Marcone’s use of them had only touched the surface of their potential—maybe Thorned Namshiel hadn’t yet had time to teach him to make full use of them. Hell, the only reason I felt like I knew what I was talking about was that the enchantments hardwired into the stones of the castle bore a startling structural resemblance to those that had been used to create Demonreach. It was entirely possible that the castle’s magical defenses had been the work of the original Merlin or one of his inheritors.
It would take time to be sure, but if I was right, by the time I was done with the place, I’d have a redoubt damned near as hard to crack as the island, and a heck of a lot more convenient to live in.
“Yeah. Kind of like having a smart house, I guess,” I said. “There’re all sorts of features I’m going to have to work through and figure out.”
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