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Wait, How Did Warden Ramirez Know About...? - From PT
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 16, 2020, 06:23:30 PM ---Yes, village idiot 101.Yeah, but the Eye is the Glass Canon in this case, it's powerful if someone grabs the barrel and says shoot here. That is what pisses me off in the WOJ, because that is precisely what Jim is saying.
Here's the thing. Past antagonists have had palatable menace, you could easily see how they might win and how ugly it would be if they did. The Reds are a perfect example. Every time I think of the King Corb on the leash and the Titan all I can image is the Keystone Cops or the Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight. Anyway, I'll shut up about it.
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You have a point here though. In a sense the Fomor were a closed-off might makes right sort of society. No one could kill Corb or Ethniu so they likely slaughtered their way to the top of the heap and as a result guile kind of died in Fomor society. You can scheme all you want but unless you steal a fusion bomb from a submarine (the sun lighting up the bottom of the sea?) you can't kill them. The defenders are mostly guile heroes or smart villains who stay alive with their brains. There's a strong contrast here that I think Jim may have been trying to play up. If Listen had been running the battle I have no doubt that Millions would have died (I'm assuming the Eye didn't take down planes or fry pacemakers etc.)
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Dina on December 14, 2020, 05:33:00 AM ---Yes, but that is the problem, isn't it. Harry is a P.I. He is supposed to be interested in finding answers. Why he did not some research on his own life? Specially now, as whatever happens to him in the future will probably impact Maggie. And Bonea herself.
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--- Quote from: Arjan on December 14, 2020, 06:22:41 AM ---Nobody wants to talk to Harry about the really important stuff. Jim keeps him isolated from information about his mother all the time, he only gets some fragments.
And I also think he is afraid of what he would find sometimes.
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Arjan nailed it. At one point Harry says something about how he was only able to gather tidbits about his mother. I think it was when he had that talk with Eb in BR, but I'm not sure. And Harry goes on and on and on about he avoids introspection and thinks he's not a good person. It's very in character for Harry to not ask questions about himself.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 14, 2020, 12:36:06 PM ---I was told I was bright when I was young. The way I lived my life said otherwise.
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You ain't the only one.
--- Quote from: Dina on December 15, 2020, 08:21:12 PM ---The Spear also allowed him to do the binding further from Demonreach.
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Yeah. Harry wouldn't have defeated Ethniu without it.
--- Quote from: Dina on December 16, 2020, 06:17:20 AM ---Yes, but we know sometimes Harry is not a reliable narrator. Still, I think you are right. I have sustained since I first read BG that one of the reasons Marcone did not go for the Eye was the fact that Harry could kill both of them. Yes, Harry was wasted, but it was a large bet. If they were underestimating Harry's remaining power, they would be screw. And both of them knew that Harry has a history of winning against the odds. They also know Harry stubborness. If he managed to gather a little willpower to Forzare the spear, they could die. And I suspect Namshiel is not as brave as Marcone. (On a side note, I also have the theory that Marcone himself did not want the Eye near a Fallen, even if it is a Fallen he was hosting.)
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And not to forget, like Harry and apparently Jim did, Harry had a couple of guns on him at that point.
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 16, 2020, 08:07:05 AM ---There are prisoners on the island who can use it. ;D
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Also that guy who only has one eye that Harry owes a favor to that was repeatedly called out by that particular feature in the book HARRY GOT AN EXTRA EYE THAT HE HAS NO USE FOR.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 16, 2020, 06:23:30 PM ---Every time I think of the King Corb on the leash and the Titan all I can image is the Keystone Cops or the Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight. Anyway, I'll shut up about it.
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One can hope that Jim was laying ground work to make Listen a palatable menace down the line.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on December 17, 2020, 06:02:39 PM ---Arjan nailed it. At one point Harry says something about how he was only able to gather tidbits about his mother. I think it was when he had that talk with Eb in BR, but I'm not sure. And Harry goes on and on and on about he avoids introspection and thinks he's not a good person. It's very in character for Harry to not ask questions about himself.
You ain't the only one.
Yeah. Harry wouldn't have defeated Ethniu without it.
And not to forget, like Harry and apparently Jim did, Harry had a couple of guns on him at that point.
Also that guy who only has one eye that Harry owes a favor to that was repeatedly called out by that particular feature in the book HARRY GOT AN EXTRA EYE THAT HE HAS NO USE FOR.
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That eye was sacrificed for wisdom. I am sure Odin will loose a lot of wisdom when he puts that other eye in.
Dina:
Bad Alias, yes, about the guns. I was so hoping a moment when Marcone eyes the Eye (:-P) and then he looks at Harry and found him pointing a gun to him. Also, I was disappointed he did not use Murphy's gun at all but I supposed that will happen in the future.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 17, 2020, 09:02:14 PM ---That eye was sacrificed for wisdom. I am sure Odin will loose a lot of wisdom when he puts that other eye in.
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Maybe. I'm not so sure myself.
@Dina: Nice turn of phrase. My only real disappointment with these two books is the rampant lack of continuity and plot holes. A lot of the continuity stuff can be explained away. I just don't find most of the explanations I've seen at all satisfying. A lot of the plot holes can be explained later. Maybe Jim will fix it all later. There have been problems like this in the other books, but it feels like there are more in these two books than in all the others combined.
Most of the continuity and plot hole problems could have been fixed without much effort. For example, Jim could have put in a line about how Marcone could get him before he could reach his gun.
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