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"Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 01, 2020, 11:44:59 AM ---Well, you know what unanimous means to the Merlin means don't you? No quorum, no problem, he holds all the proxies
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Sure, but as far as we know, Martha wasn't injured. The only ones we know missed the vote for being in surgery were McCoy and LtW. The testimony that Harry killed turtlenecks in the battle had to come from Martha or Cristos. Even if it was Cristos' report, Martha presumably would have got back to Edinburgh at least as fast as he did, given his severe burns.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on November 01, 2020, 08:41:37 PM ---Sure, but as far as we know, Martha wasn't injured. The only ones we know missed the vote for being in surgery were McCoy and LtW. The testimony that Harry killed turtlenecks in the battle had to come from Martha or Cristos. Even if it was Cristos' report, Martha presumably would have got back to Edinburgh at least as fast as he did, given his severe burns.
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But McCoy and LtW are usually the ones lobbying for Harry. The others supported Harry because they supported these two, they don't know Harry.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on November 01, 2020, 08:41:37 PM ---Sure, but as far as we know, Martha wasn't injured. The only ones we know missed the vote for being in surgery were McCoy and LtW. The testimony that Harry killed turtlenecks in the battle had to come from Martha or Cristos. Even if it was Cristos' report, Martha presumably would have got back to Edinburgh at least as fast as he did, given his severe burns.
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It could have, but how much did Martha witness? As for Cristos I wouldn't be shocked if he was as guilty as Harry supposedly is. No, I believe the testimony came from Carlos.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 01, 2020, 09:51:36 PM --- It could have, but how much did Martha witness? As for Cristos I wouldn't be shocked if he was as guilty as Harry supposedly is. No, I believe the testimony came from Carlos.
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Secondhand, through her spirit scouts? Potentially, even probably, everything.
I think Carlos and the other wizards arrived in the party of reinforcements with Marcone, the Raiths, Ivy, and the svartalves. Harry burned out the nest of turtleneck gunners substantially before that, to clear the way for taking and destroying the bridge over the sunken roadway. So he wouldn't have been in a direct position to see it, and unlike Martha we don't know him to have a working relationship with scouts who can report remote events.
Though, I suppose he might have seen some burned turtleneck bodies and concluded they must have been Harry's work, since Mab was the only other caster on the park battlefield, and she would have used ice.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on November 02, 2020, 02:43:42 PM ---Secondhand, through her spirit scouts? Potentially, even probably, everything.
I think Carlos and the other wizards arrived in the party of reinforcements with Marcone, the Raiths, Ivy, and the svartalves. Harry burned out the nest of turtleneck gunners substantially before that, to clear the way for taking and destroying the bridge over the sunken roadway. So he wouldn't have been in a direct position to see it, and unlike Martha we don't know him to have a working relationship with scouts who can report remote events.
Though, I suppose he might have seen some burned turtleneck bodies and concluded they must have been Harry's work, since Mab was the only other caster on the park battlefield, and she would have used ice.
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I think it is important to note, that with the exception of Martha and Listens to Wind, though I guess shape shifting into a Grizzly bear and then killing them could be killing by magic technically. Also if Martha was directing remotely using magic she was also technically killing with magic. I understand they is a very very lose interpretation of killing by magic, but everyone who took part in the battle did. Also a lot of the Fomor were human at one time and altered, it is just a little less obvious with the Turtlenecks because the turtleneck sweater hides the gills, but they were human. Even the kracken gave some indication it had been human a couple of thousand years ago, how else would Harry have been able to soul gaze it? That may have been one reason why they walked back a little of the verdict against Harry. Because any wizard who was in Chicago could also be condemned.
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