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Mac's True Nature (spoilers for BG)
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
Well if his angels cannot do much without destroying galaxy or two...
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on November 07, 2020, 05:11:32 AM ---I can't recall what JB's denominational exposure is/was, but it may have been Catholic.
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The only thing I recall Jim saying is he was from the "fun" end of fundamentalism spectrum. Catholics are not typically considered fundamentalists, so he probably wasn't Catholic.
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on November 07, 2020, 07:12:54 PM ---We don't know if Mac's significance changed as he wrote, like Butters' did.
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I think Mac was important pretty early on. He's constantly described as fitting in the same age range. That was the first thing I noticed that made me think something was up with him.
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on November 07, 2020, 11:58:58 PM ---But I also swear that I saw or heard a WoJ (that I have been unable to find, so it's not supported) that Uriel *believes* he was present at the creation of everything, but that doesn't make it *true*. The implication seemed to be that Uriel is shaped, even beyond his own awareness, by what human religion established for him and the other angels.
I don't know if that was JB hedging to avoid offending those with different beliefs, or if it was an early mental draft to what he was developing for the story, or if that's an accurate description of the Dresdenverse.
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I recall Jim saying something like the Creator could have just retconned reality to make Himself the Creator and how would anyone know the difference. For the italicized portion, I feel like that was what Jim was doing, but that wouldn't make the bolded portion false either.
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 08, 2020, 12:05:13 AM ---And personally while I support totally supes getting high and mighty on spiritual or psychic power of faith of believers, I'm really tired of trope that gods/titans/faeries are just some manifestations of human belief and do not exist really beyond that.
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I think it's played a little different in the DF.
It could be that it's all about will. We've seen older beings with will so powerful that it flattens mortals because the will of a few (or maybe hundreds) of mortals can't compare, but the problem for these older beings is that there are billions of mortals. When the will of a billion mortals is that you're just a story, it probably has an affect on you. When you have a bunch of mortals devoted to you being all powerful or just really powerful, that also probably has an affect on you.
Or it could just be that mortal knowledge anchors these beings to reality. (I think your "supernatural beings do not change their natures" WoJ supports this one).
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---The only thing I recall Jim saying is he was from the "fun" end of fundamentalism spectrum. Catholics are not typically considered fundamentalists, so he probably wasn't Catholic.
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I'm quite sure he was raised Baptist.
--- Quote ---I recall Jim saying something like the Creator could have just retconned reality to make Himself the Creator and how would anyone know the difference. For the italicized portion, I feel like that was what Jim was doing, but that wouldn't make the bolded portion false either.
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OK... but then how it worked compared to what you pointed out yourself about beings "not changing their natures". I mean what does it says then about Uriel with his power way beyond our Galaxy, and his memories from beyond Creation? Were they changed by retcon? That open another can of worms - now Creator retconning universe sounds just like this last season of SPN XD
--- Quote ---It could be that it's all about will. We've seen older beings with will so powerful that it flattens mortals because the will of a few (or maybe hundreds) of mortals can't compare, but the problem for these older beings is that there are billions of mortals. When the will of a billion mortals is that you're just a story, it probably has an affect on you. When you have a bunch of mortals devoted to you being all powerful or just really powerful, that also probably has an affect on you.
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Definitely sups can use it to anchor themselves - if at least part of what Thomas revealed about Oblivion War is real.
Damn now it gets to me - White Court - whose members are humans are trying to weaken proper superpowers influence over world - so humanity can be thrown into abyss of animalistic instincts and become prey. Thomas says that Oblivionites almost managed to lock Faeries in Oblivion. And Winter Court is guarding Outer Gates.
White Court swore on Empty Night, papa Raith is dealing with Outsiders.
That leads... to many possible tinfoil conclusions.
What if White Court on general are pawns of Outsiders for a long long time...
Mira:
--- Quote ---What if White Court on general are pawns of Outsiders for a long long time...
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I've been saying that for years.. :o
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---I've been saying that for years.. :o
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Stars and Stones are McCoy's saying
Hells Bells seems to be Dresden's own
Empty Night - first we hear it IIRC from Lara Raith in "Blood Rites".
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