The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Poor Harry - Jim you cruel man. Lol
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 11, 2020, 04:07:14 PM ---He only failed because Ivy ordered him to shot him in the chest. So, not Harry's fault. In fact, he is somehow in Harry's debt still. He contracted him to saved him of the WK by killing him and he didn´t. He may even want to finish the job though, but he knows Ivy would probably stop him if he tried.
Seriously, I need Harry making amends to Ivy and Kinkaid, and having them together.
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The question is which book we'll get Ivy having a breakdown over the internet and Kincaid returning in.
Dina:
Hopefully, 12M.
I agree about Harry not being dead.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 12, 2020, 01:38:24 AM ---Nah. Mabs saved his biological life.
It's explained quite fine - Dresden was not a ghost in GS - he was disembodied soul.
At best we could call it ghost+ as he shared some qualities. But he kept being alive technically.
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It is stated several times both in the books and in woj that he was dead.
In a dualistic world view you are dead when your soul, your anima, is separated from your body. Killing is literally to sunder body and soul from each other. What Mab had was an empty shell.
That is the magical worldview. In that worldview you can return from the dead because your soul, which is the real you according to Uriel, can just get a body again. Your own one in Harry’s case or another one in the corpstakers case if she had succeeded in Ghost Story.
Harry was clearly dead but dead is a spectrum as Mab said. Harry was not gone so he could get back.
But Harry crossed a border. A significant border as Lea explained in Ghost story when she explained what corpstaker was.
His body might have been living in the sense that a plant is alive but without Harry, without the soul Harry, Harry was dead. That is dead in the definition of the dualistic world view which has a total distinction between spiritual and material. It is a worldview Christianity got from the Greeks and it is the worldview in the books.
It is the worldview attacked in his book consciousness explained: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_Explained
Dina:
I certainly disagree.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 12, 2020, 04:31:46 AM ---I certainly disagree.
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With Mab, Lea and Jim? In the context of the books?
In real life there is no separation between body and soul and what we see as soul is just an expression of the total person and in that context Harry could not have been dead because he is now alive but that is not the dresdenverse. In the dresdenverse people can rise from the dead.
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