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I'm A Bit Confused... Nemesis or Outsider or Both???

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Mira:

--- Quote ---I might be missing something in your analogy, but my point is that Harry was corrupted by his use of black magic. If black magic corruption is Outsider corruption, and Harry is immune from black magic corruption, then Harry can't be corrupted by his use of black magic, except in the mundane real world sense that bad acts corrupt a person.

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Not quite, Harry has been tainted by it according to the Ulsharavas back in Death Mask.  It felt it on Harry, who admitted to a bad call or two, but said most of it wasn't of his doing.  So no, Harry isn't immune to black magic corruption, but one can move beyond it.  Charity must have done some black magic, though perhaps innocently, but she was on her way to becoming a warlock before that dragon got her, Michael saved her, and she swore off magic all together.

Dina:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 27, 2020, 02:31:19 AM --- manipulation sure, but I'd argue most of those were still him making the choices on some level. The WK mantle makes his inner voices louder, Lash had subliminal discussions with his ID, he ate the nightmares chi, Evil Bob mesmerized him, but in the end had to try old fashioned recruitment too, ect. Though of course he's not immune to manipulation, no. Like the WCV's power. Or what evil Bob did. But most of these seem to work on other levels than purely psychic, which seems to be the ultimate display of power, Willpower.  I think that's where he's got the edge. Even his display against MW was the will of one tiny mortal against a cosmic level being. Course... She might be kinda outsiderish too...

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I think the mantle is doing more than making his inner voice louder.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Dina on October 27, 2020, 03:51:09 AM ---I think the mantle is doing more than making his inner voice louder.

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that's the way it was explained to us though. It hasn't made him do anything completely abnormal for him imo. He's always been a bit of a repressed hound dog, he's always had tendency towards anger, and everyone has a primal side to tap for the basic stuff like territory and what not  Now, if he started eating people or something like some of the previous famous winter knights then definitely more than that. They were screwy from the beginning I think though. Their inner voices had bad juju to them...

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 27, 2020, 02:31:19 AM --- manipulation sure, but I'd argue most of those were still him making the choices on some level. The WK mantle makes his inner voices louder, Lash had subliminal discussions with his ID, he ate the nightmares chi, Evil Bob mesmerized him, but in the end had to try old fashioned recruitment too, ect. Though of course he's not immune to manipulation, no. Like the WCV's power. Or what evil Bob did. But most of these seem to work on other levels than purely psychic, which seems to be the ultimate display of power, Willpower.  I think that's where he's got the edge. Even his display against MW was the will of one tiny mortal against a cosmic level being. Course... She might be kinda outsiderish too...

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It's a slope, and what we've seen is him at the very top, putting one foot out. It starts with very subtle shifts in personality or behavior that he doesn't notice. Then it gets worse, and worse, until he's acting out of character for what he originally was.

Until...

--- Quote from: Dina on October 27, 2020, 03:51:09 AM ---I think the mantle is doing more than making his inner voice louder.

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Exactly thia. He spent basically no time fighting the mantle in Battle Ground. He leaned into it a few times. He recognized it influencing him in the final battle with Ethniu, and recognizing her vulnerability, and it didn't caution him.  He felt it leading his bannermen, and it didn't phase him. He embraced it on the march though the city.

He's fully capable of going dark side. He's just immune to the specific threats of the Outsiders.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 26, 2020, 11:17:16 PM ---He might be immune to the corruption caused by black magic.

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I'm pretty sure he's not.

My specific question to Griff is whether or not black magic corruption is Outsider corruption. I ask this because I believe Harry was corrupted by black magic. If a starborn is immune to Outsider corruption, then Harry would be immune from black magic corruption if it was Outsider corruption.

Harry isn't immune from black magic corruption, therefore black magic corruption isn't Outsider corruption. (At least that's my thinking assuming starborn are immune to Outsider corruption).

Now it could be that starborn have really strong resistance, not immunity, to Outsider corruption. This would explain why Harry didn't go full warlock from his corruption and why borderline 1st Law violations don't seem to have any affect on him. Killing the Turtlenecks with magic might make a regular wizard go full on cackling evil. But for Harry, it's no big deal. (Or they're not 1st Law violations at all). I'd have to carefully parse what Eb said in PT about it.

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