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[BG spoilers!!] After rereading PT

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Dina:
There is a couple  of things I want to comment about PT but they may involve BG spoilers, so be careful.

In the fight Eb-fake Harry, Eb throw a big mass of stones to the water beetle. If he had succeeded in hitting it, there is a chance that Murphy died? Would it have counted as killing humans with magic?
(I am sure Eb really thought he would just break the boat and that if Murphy needed help he would have been able to help but my question is hypothetical.)

After the first appearance of Ethniu, when everyone is talking about what they will do to contribute to the fight, Sarissa's contribution is saying that she will coordinate communications using the Little Folk. And she even suggested working in the roof. But that confuses me because I thought the little folk were wild, not Summer vassals, and because it seems to reduce the importance of what Harry did with his pizzas. Everyone felt the same?

Murphy was only 4 years away of taking off the plaster so it is not that bad that he did. And the point she moves quite well except for the pain. Of course, by quite well I mean she still has her problems she is still injured and would have need physiotherapy. But I mean that she was not tripping or having trouble staying on her foot. With that in mind, it makes sense like when in BG her pain was taken away she would act more or less like the old Murphy (but she would have been unable of having a martial arts hand to hand combat, if she had tried).

Since the beginning, the Titan dismissed Marcone because he is a mortal so, can't she felt the Fallen in him until he revealed himself?

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Dina on October 19, 2020, 10:39:32 PM ---In the fight Eb-fake Harry, Eb throw a big mass of stones to the water beetle. If he had succeeded in hitting it, there is a chance that Murphy died? Would it have counted as killing humans with magic?
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I'm about as confident that the answer to this question is yes as I am about any question of how anything works in DF. Jim has that old WoJ about blowing someone off a roof is killing them with magic even though the it was the sudden stop after the fall that killed them.


--- Quote from: Dina on October 19, 2020, 10:39:32 PM ---But that confuses me because I thought the little folk were wild, not Summer vassals

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Some are Summer, some are Winter, most are wild. Go back to the end of Summer Knight to what Mab says about a mortal drawing on the wild fae. Also the part towards the beginning where Toot talks about the call.


--- Quote from: Dina on October 19, 2020, 10:39:32 PM ---Since the beginning, the Titan dismissed Marcone because he is a mortal so, can't she felt the Fallen in him until he revealed himself?

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I doubt it because she dismissed him because he is a mortal.

Dina:
Well, it seems that Sarissa's work was less than stellar until Harry steps in, then  :)

Yes, I had the idea that some were Winter, some were Summer, most were wild, but Sarissa's words made it sound as if they were all Summer, or at least, that is how it sounded in my mind.

I am sure I had more reread thought to share but I don't remember now. I do remember that I laughed a lot when Butters said that Sanya's flight has been delayed SEVEN times. That should have spelled that problems were going to be BIG. Also, I remember now that I was expecting him and Sanya to cross the streams (contact their blades) to harm the Titan in the final moments of the battle (before Odin and Lara taking the Eye off her)

Mira:

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Murphy was only 4 years away of taking off the plaster so it is not that bad that he did. And the point she moves quite well except for the pain. Of course, by quite well I mean she still has her problems she is still injured and would have need physiotherapy. But I mean that she was not tripping or having trouble staying on her foot. With that in mind, it makes sense like when in BG her pain was taken away she would act more or less like the old Murphy (but she would have been unable of having a martial arts hand to hand combat, if she had tried).
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It isn't just a pain issue though, Dina, even if the injuries that had been operated on had healed.  1] Not all the damage had been repaired, remember she was facing another round of surgery to further repair things and then it couldn't make her like she was. 2] If her knee and shoulder/elbow were immobilized for two or three months, healed or not, pain or not, the muscles just do not bounce back that quickly.  It takes a bit for them to get strong again, especially if the damage was as bad as we are led to believe.

--- Quote ---After the first appearance of Ethniu, when everyone is talking about what they will do to contribute to the fight, Sarissa's contribution is saying that she will coordinate communications using the Little Folk. And she even suggested working in the roof. But that confuses me because I thought the little folk were wild, not Summer vassals, and because it seems to reduce the importance of what Harry did with his pizzas. Everyone felt the same?
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Me too, but wasn't that before Harry called up Toot and Z'Gard? 

--- Quote ---In the fight Eb-fake Harry, Eb throw a big mass of stones to the water beetle. If he had succeeded in hitting it, there is a chance that Murphy died? Would it have counted as killing humans with magic?
(I am sure Eb really thought he would just break the boat and that if Murphy needed help he would have been able to help but my question is hypothetical.)
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One would think that he could be.  However as Blackstaff isn't he exempt? Having kind of a 007 license to kill?  But that wouldn't apply to vanilla humans would it?  I guess he could always claim that it was an accident, he didn't know she was on board. Or he didn't intend to hurt anyone, just stop the boat.. Then blame Harry because he wouldn't stop the boat and it had Thomas in it.

Dina:

--- Quote from: Mira on October 20, 2020, 02:58:55 AM ---It isn't just a pain issue though, Dina, even if the injuries that had been operated on had healed.  1] Not all the damage had been repaired, remember she was facing another round of surgery to further repair things and then it couldn't make her like she was. 2] If her knee and shoulder/elbow were immobilized for two or three months, healed or not, pain or not, the muscles just do not bounce back that quickly.  It takes a bit for them to get strong again, especially if the damage was as bad as we are led to believe.

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Yes, Mira, that is why I said she was still injured and would have still need therapy. And she wouldn't have been able to fight a martial art. But what I've meant was that if she was ready to take the cast away (4 days wouldn't have make a significant difference) his body would have been more or less operative. The main restriction would have been the pain, and that is what Mab took away. She wouldn't have been able to ride a normal bicycle due to the effort for her legs, but I don't think it's so much of a stretch to imagine her riding a motorcycle. Think this, af first. when Harry helped her with the cast, she said that her hip were not used to a given movement. The idea is that her hip could do what she wanted, but the pain prevented her to do it.
So I think that Murphy was not supernaturally healed. She just was able to move like in extra heavy mega painkillers. She probably damaged herself even more and, had she lived, she would have probably been much worse than she was the day before.
The only thing I am not so sure is the bazooka, because I have not idea how heavy is it, and her arm was injured (not so bad as her knee). But I believe with Murphy excellent physical state before her injury, even after several months of plaster she would have been able to resist some weight.


--- Quote from: Mira on October 20, 2020, 02:58:55 AM ---It isn't just a pain issue though, Dina, even if the injuries that had been operated on had healed.  1] Not all the damage had been repaired, remember she was facing another round of surgery to further repair things and then it couldn't make her like she was. 2] If her knee and shoulder/elbow were immobilized for two or three months, healed or not, pain or not, the muscles just do not bounce back that quickly.  It takes a bit for them to get strong again, especially if the damage was as bad as we are led to believe. Me too, but wasn't that before Harry called up Toot and Z'Gard? 

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Yes, much before, but this was my point. Why do "the allies" needed Harry to call the ZīGard and all that if Sarissa was already on it with her own Little Folks?

--- Quote from: Mira on October 20, 2020, 02:58:55 AM ---One would think that he could be.  However as Blackstaff isn't he exempt? Having kind of a 007 license to kill?  But that wouldn't apply to vanilla humans would it?  I guess he could always claim that it was an accident, he didn't know she was on board. Or he didn't intend to hurt anyone, just stop the boat.. Then blame Harry because he wouldn't stop the boat and it had Thomas in it.

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Yes, I don't think Eb would have trouble with the White Council but a) it would have demanded her to lie, which I don't think he too comfortable with (secrets, omissions, yes. Straight lies? I don't think it's his style) and b) it proves he is more out of control than I thought, because he was ready to kill a human he knew Harry cared about and what? to fight Harry after that? Worst case scenario, Harry would have reacted like with Rudolph, or worse, much worse. Best case scenario, Harry would have been a witness at him killing a human and he would have need to call him a liar.
It just seem...too much. Even for Eb. So perhaps he is nemfected.

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