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MURPHYS [BG Spoilers]
Arjan:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on October 30, 2020, 02:32:01 AM ---Essentially she was claimed by Odin because she fought and killed his people's personal enemies. The thing about Harry's image of Murphy as an angle is that was just his somewhat romantic way of interpreting what her soul looked like.
Yes and no. It's more like where exceptional Viking warriors go to party after their first death. They don't get to comeback to earth as Einherjar soldiers until their memory is lost to everyone who knew them. So if Harry lived another 400 years and out lived every other mortal in the story who knew Murphy, not until at least 400 years and a day have passed. All of the Einherjar will eventually die permanently at Ragnorak with Odin and unless Jim has that happen in the BAT, maybe not for thousands of years. So, Murphy's soul will eventually get to where it should go.
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That is one interpretation. The other is that Murphy’s soul is exactly were it should be and this is what’s next for her. She will be raised again every time she dies and feast again. She chose for that when she decided to fight and die as a Viking warrior and maybe Vadderung had negotiated with Uriel about her.
Just like other souls end up in Hades. Not that many anymore but they do. I do not get the impression that hades is a limited stay so why would walhalla be one? Is this Christian exceptionalism?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Just like other souls end up in Hades. Not that many anymore but they do. I do not get the impression that hades is a limited stay so why would walhalla be one? Is this Christian exceptionalism?
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When you say Hades it gets a little complicated, because in classic mythology, all dead go to Hades, it is the realm of the dead, there are areas like heaven for the good souls and areas like hell for the not so good souls.
Megan Marie:
You totally made me feel better!! Thanks! And thanks for the extra about them not being able to come back to fight until all the living memory is passed. Answered what would have been my next question!
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on October 30, 2020, 02:13:04 AM ---I'm really late to this conversation. I never saw Murphy as Harry's mentor. In the last few books she was (mostly) Harry's friend and moral compass. I'm not saying I liked the way Jim wrote her in the last three or four books, that's just my general impression of what her character's role was.
My feeling is that several years ago; maybe as far back as Changes, Jim decided that Murphy had to go, and I'll get into why later. (Not that I really know why, so I'm going to be really vague about that.) So, it's not that Murphy could no longer keep up with Harry and that made her character superfluous to the story. It's that Jim wanted Harry to go in a new direction; one that doesn't involve finding his soulmate, at least not at the present time within the overall story. Of course, with that whole "die alone" motif being repeated, you have to wonder if Harry will ever find a permanent romantic partner.
To get back on point, Jim wanted Harry to become permanently removed from his best friend, the women he loved and his (sometimes) moral compass so his new course will be more of a high wire act than it already was. I think Jim crippled Murphy as a way for Harry to see her as someone who could no longer remain in the larger game he was playing and as a way to make her death more poignant. Murphy taking out the Jotun when she really shouldn't have been on the battlefield makes it a better death; sort of, except for Rudolph.
I'm not saying it was a good decision for Jim to make. Only time will tell us one way or the other. Even with what I see as the character's flaws since Changes, Karrin Murphy was the every person or mortal point of view and I think there is some risk in Jim removing her. Michael Carpenter is in no way a substitute for Murphy's point of view because he knows the supernatural world and many of the major players, and even some of the minor players within it.
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Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 30, 2020, 02:10:10 PM ---When you say Hades it gets a little complicated, because in classic mythology, all dead go to Hades, it is the realm of the dead, there are areas like heaven for the good souls and areas like hell for the not so good souls.
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But that is not what the god Hades tells Harry in Skin Game. He used to get more souls but now he only get specific ones. Just like Vadderung.
jmotivator:
I think the thing that saddened me the most after her death, of course, was that in my mind she was always meant to take up Amoracchius, the sword of love. I mean, she was Dresden's love, she was a martial artist trained in swords, and she was a Catholic. The only reason she didn't was because she was a Chicago police Lieutenant, but once she lost that job there was nothing in her way.
She would have made a great Knight of the Cross.
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