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MURPHYS [BG Spoilers]
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 15, 2020, 05:31:39 PM ---He can not indulge too much because of the children and his other responsibilities.
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Exactly, now grief will have it's way from time to time, no matter what Harry does. However he cannot afford the luxury of indulging himself in it's depths, the world is moving on rapidly and he has to move with it.
Telynn:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 15, 2020, 05:30:31 PM ---It was worse when she half turned and left Chicago. Harry went on a super guilt trip, even close to if not clinical depression over that. When she died, it was bad, mostly Harry not wanting to face his daughter, but though he felt guilty I also think that Harry knew there was no other way to save any of them. Yes, he is going to mourn Murphy for quite sometime, but it isn't just him anymore, he has a child to consider, that makes a heck of a lot of difference.
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Murphy hurts worse then any loss so far. Murphy wasn't just the woman he loved. Murphy was his best friend. His confidant. His sounding board. The one he could always turn to. Moving it into the romance field was just one more aspect of their relationship. He loved Susan. But at the time she got half turned could you honestly say she had bigger hold on him then Murphy did toward the end, even before romance entered into it?
bigdangmoose:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 15, 2020, 04:48:10 PM ---I understand what you're saying. I just disagree. I think Jim's talented enough to have Murphy find a new purpose. It's not really that complicated. Especially after the events of BG (minus Murphy's death). It would easy to imagine Murphy being rehired as a captain in charge of a much larger S.I. once the Chicago government came to terms with the existence of the supernatural. Plenty of people on here theorized she'd get a job with the Librarians or the FBI.
All that said, my only problem with Murphy dying is if we have to deal Harry constantly moping about it. We've already read that book more than once with regards to Susan.
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But Murphy would never be cleared for active duty. She is physically crippled. That's what I'm getting at. She wouldn't and couldn't sit by while others did the work for her. She has never done that in any book when she was able to. It's what lead to her being killed. It's her character to the core. So to return Murphy to the fight, he killed her to restore her body. To have Jim write her into being a desk jockey would be demeaning to the character that she is. To think that it would work is wishful thinking. Yes, Jim is a talented writer, but to pull off what you want, he would have had to change her character 5 books ago, not a complete character change in one. And he couldn't do that because he needed her to take over for Harry while he was dead.
As for the mourning over her, with Susan, it was by his hand. He cut her throat. Murphy is a different case. He got to mourn over her after she died. He is still mourning, but a)it wasn't by his hand, b) he knows Murphy wouldn't want him to go into the dive he did after Susan, and c) he was able to deal with it after her death instead of bottling it up like he did with Susan, he was able to cry for the loss of her.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 15, 2020, 05:30:31 PM ---It was worse when she half turned and left Chicago. Harry went on a super guilt trip, even close to if not clinical depression over that. When she died, it was bad, mostly Harry not wanting to face his daughter, but though he felt guilty I also think that Harry knew there was no other way to save any of them. Yes, he is going to mourn Murphy for quite sometime, but it isn't just him anymore, he has a child to consider, that makes a heck of a lot of difference.
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I agree. I don't mind Harry being sad or mourning. I'd imagine he's going to miss Murphy for the rest of his life. I just don't want the books to be overly focused on it.
--- Quote from: Telynn on October 15, 2020, 06:07:12 PM ---Murphy hurts worse then any loss so far. Murphy wasn't just the woman he loved. Murphy was his best friend. His confidant. His sounding board. The one he could always turn to. Moving it into the romance field was just one more aspect of their relationship. He loved Susan. But at the time she got half turned could you honestly say she had bigger hold on him then Murphy did toward the end, even before romance entered into it?
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I think you make an excellent point. Murphy's been Harry's best friend since Summer Knight.
--- Quote from: bigdangmoose on October 15, 2020, 06:07:49 PM ---She wouldn't and couldn't sit by while others did the work for her. She has never done that in any book when she was able to.
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Emphasis added. She did in Death Masks. And she did several times when she wasn't able to.
--- Quote from: bigdangmoose on October 15, 2020, 06:07:49 PM ---To have Jim write her into being a desk jockey would be demeaning to the character that she is. To think that it would work is wishful thinking.
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I disagree. I think you underestimate the importance of leadership and management. I think it's demeaning to her character to say she was only useful as gun slinger. She had a lot more going for her. I think it would be demeaning to her character if she couldn't cope with not being in the midst of the action and crumbled because of it.
--- Quote from: bigdangmoose on October 15, 2020, 06:07:49 PM ---Yes, Jim is a talented writer, but to pull off what you want, he would have had to change her character 5 books ago, not a complete character change in one.
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I didn't say that's what I wanted. I said Jim could have done it if he wanted. It wasn't necessary for the story to kill Murphy. It was a choice Jim made. I'm fine with that choice for several reasons.
1. Killing main characters is one way to keep/amp up dramatic tension.
2. I don't dislike her, except in FM, but Murphy's never been one of my favorites. I probably would have been upset if Jim had killed Marcone, Bob, Toot, Sanya, Butters, or any number of other characters. I'm kinda upset that he killed Wild Bill. I wanted to spend more time with him.
3. Jim might not have wanted to go in a direction where Harry needs an administrator, or he might have someone else in mind for that role. (Just as long as it's not Harry because that is too much of a character shift).
It wouldn't be a complete character change. Murphy has always been a leader. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be difficult for her, but crippling injuries are difficult and people adjust to them. If that's how Jim wanted it, Murphy could have too.
BrainFireBob:
You do realize the five or so year older Murphy was, in facr, one of Harry's mentors?
It was time for a mentor to bite it.
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