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Who really killed ... BG spoilers!!!!
Telynn:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 17, 2020, 04:07:53 PM ---Jim signaled this about as loud as you can do it short of grabbing you by the ears and screaming it. The first time he had a character mention trigger discipline somebody was going to die from an accidental gunshot. It actually fits the character in this case. In his haste to ladder climb he bypassed the training. Ultimately the guy who sent in IA owns it. As it's written it works fairy well, you get angry because she takes out a giant and then dies at the hands of a coward, by accident. This is how Jim has used the character throughout the books.
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I thought it was fairly obvious as well. Maybe he used the term 'trigger discipline' before in the books, but not that I ever really noticed. And suddenly it is used a lot. So much that you noticed it. It almost seemed out of place it was used so much.
Hagbard Celine:
Wow this was a roller coaster of a thread. Here is how I read the scene:
Once Murphy is shot and it sinks in. A switch is thrown in Harry. You can tell by the way he is talking. They're trying to get him to stop and he's dismissing him with the same tone that someone would use to say "Just let me wash my hands, then we can eat." That is the emotionless logic of a sociopath who treats murdering Rudolph has a banal task he needs to complete. The holy lightsaber, which Harry could pass his flesh through previously while feeling just a warm buzzing sensation now sears his flesh as if he is pure evil, which he is that that moment. The sword then has the same affect on harry as it does on the monsters. Once Harry snaps out of it, Butters could have pushed the lightsaber through him and it wouldn't have harmed in again. Harry is going to have another scar on his arm that reminds him not to become a monster. The sulfur smell was the signal that Harry was seriously in the wrong, I don't think it has anything to do with an outsider influencing Rudolph. It has everything to do with Harry being evil in that moment and the sword telling him a resounding "No."
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Hagbard Celine on October 17, 2020, 05:42:45 PM ---Wow this was a roller coaster of a thread. Here is how I read the scene:
Once Murphy is shot and it sinks in. A switch is thrown in Harry. You can tell by the way he is talking. They're trying to get him to stop and he's dismissing him with the same tone that someone would use to say "Just let me wash my hands, then we can eat." That is the emotionless logic of a sociopath who treats murdering Rudolph has a banal task he needs to complete. The holy lightsaber, which Harry could pass his flesh through previously while feeling just a warm buzzing sensation now sears his flesh as if he is pure evil, which he is that that moment. The sword then has the same affect on harry as it does on the monsters. Once Harry snaps out of it, Butters could have pushed the lightsaber through him and it wouldn't have harmed in again. Harry is going to have another scar on his arm that reminds him not to become a monster. The sulfur smell was the signal that Harry was seriously in the wrong, I don't think it has anything to do with an outsider influencing Rudolph. It has everything to do with Harry being evil in that moment and the sword telling him a resounding "No."
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That is a very reasonable explanation of what happened but we do not do reasonable here. We reject the reasonable explanation and go straight to the conspiracy theories.
Dina:
LOL, Arjan!
It's been a while since I do a full rereading of the series, does Harry's hellfire smell like brimstone/sulfur before?
The_Sibelis, I agree that the "Wtf?" was a little confusing. So I still think TWG was involved. That could have caused Rudolph to shoot without actually realizing he was doing it. That or something possessed him for a moment.
And of course the first time trigger discipline was mentioned we knew somebody was going to be shot by accident, that does not mean that "the accident" were not caused for something supernatural.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 17, 2020, 05:55:12 PM ---That is a very reasonable explanation of what happened but we do not do reasonable here. We reject the reasonable explanation and go straight to the conspiracy theories.
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Well, I mean, you get the reasonable explanation when you read it. No need for a forum ;)
To me the Murphy shot just doesn't work thematically if Rudolph was not himself. The book was half 'humans aren't much' and half 'but they CAN be'. They can be great, but without Rudolph, they're not all that terrible; we have a few bits and pieces as Harry gathers up his banner, but mostly the humans are darn heroic (even the Denarian).
Rudolph, by one shot, balanced that scale. If it wasn't Rudolph but Nemesis or somesuch in the driver's seat, well... not balanced.
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