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Mira:


   Muscle memory or not really doesn't matter..  Rudolph knows he has poor trigger discipline, doesn't matter what his finger remembered, it is what he was thinking when he was yelling, scared, and pointing the gun at Murphy..

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on October 19, 2020, 04:33:27 PM ---https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/muscle memory

Stop trying to change the definition of term "muscle memory" to "memory in muscles," please.

It's incorrect, and poor parsing of language. Inverting muscle memory can mean your interpretation, memory belonging to muscles, or memory of muscles- remembering the muscle sequence without need to think through the actions. The latter pretty clearly is the etymology.

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I'm not changing anything, and linking to a definition of muscles REALLY isn't changing anything
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory#:~:text=Muscle%20memory%20is%20a%20form,used%20synonymously%20with%20motor%20learning.
Same thing I quoted earlier. Muscle memory is a colloquial term, it's false on its face value. It's called motor learning. Muscle memory was invented the same way someone say what's up dog? It isn't proper English, period. It's non sensical and promotes a misunderstanding in anyone who hears it. Thank you very much for coming to my TED talk. But nobody, and I repeat NOBODY is going to convince me the way muscle memory is used is correct. It isn't. Especially in the context used here for why Rudolph isn't acting smoothly or with proper trigger safety, that's specifically not muscle memory, not even by some vague definition.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Arjan on October 19, 2020, 04:09:38 PM ---Because language and words are a convention. If a word is generally used for a concept then it is the right word unless you want to change the language. It can be done, usually by powerful pressure groups who want to change society, but you need a lot of pull for that and unless you succeed nobody will understand you.

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that's cool dog, I'ma split before things get too hot in here and I wig out. But it's pretty bad I can argue this all day. Spaghetti mechanics say there's always a version of me continuing this argument. That me, I'm that noodle.

Dina:

--- Quote from: Mira on October 19, 2020, 05:40:22 PM ---
   Muscle memory or not really doesn't matter..  Rudolph knows he has poor trigger discipline, doesn't matter what his finger remembered, it is what he was thinking when he was yelling, scared, and pointing the gun at Murphy..

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I think you are right, Mira.

The_Sibelis, as Arjan said, words and language are conventions. And we understand what we mean by "muscle memory", so the convention works and communication happens. That is the important thing. Nobody believes the muscle have actual memory, it's an expression, and it works. No one is trying to convince you that "the way muscle memory is used is correct", only that it works and it is the best way, in the sense that most people will understand it. We are not even saying it's the only way to say it. And in this thread, we all understand the idea. Can we focus on Rudolph now? I think you are saying the same than Mira (and I) about it.

Also, those who knew me know that I don't usually do this (because stones and glass houses) but this time I think I am justified. If you are so concerned with "proper English" perhaps you shouldn't say "I think your misunderstanding why they're called wings" and "your going to".  :P

The_Sibelis:
Then define for me muscle memory in your own words Dina, not something you go look upm explain it to me. Because even by the standards of the word nothing rudy was doing was muscle memory besides pointing the gun steady, which he did apparently do with his aim. His actions, his panic, his lack of trigger discipline, none of that is under this term muscle memory. He didn't train for that situation. Operant conditioning would apply, because that'd be taking action under a prescribed circumstances, which would draw on 'muscle memory' as it were. So he lacks field discipline from experience which is strictly a mental preparation, not a motor function.
And no I don't really care to correct your from you're. I didn't have multiple classes in this decade explaining to me the difference between them like I have muscle memory.

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