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Backcourt vampires WAG [spoilers all incl BG]
Mira:
--- Quote from: StrayDog on October 10, 2020, 09:47:56 PM ---As far as you know there isn't a reference in any of JB's published DF works that mentions how many wizards got soulfire or it's affect casting Necromancy? The only one I recall was Uriel talking about it being a gift to Harry because he resisted Lashiel. I myself don't recall any other mentions about other wizards having it nor any using it with Necromancy.
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Nor I, and up until I read Jim's answer in this thread, I thought Harry was the only one and that was really a special gift. Now we know, maybe not so much.. ???
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 10, 2020, 07:41:06 PM ---There will be drawbacks. He will loose his principles, the loyalty of his followers and he already lost a friend. At some point he will probably loose Gard’s respect as the fallen will influence his personality.
He will loose his soul.
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true. But Harry having studied magic his whole life isn't crap compared to Marcone right now... Unless Marcone doesn't actually know all the magic he was using and was heavily relying on Namshiel to act for him in lieu of actual knowledge/experience.. it just seems so off to me. Perhaps if Harry had picked up Lasciels coin he really would have been a beast with what he could do .
edf:
I suspect that Marcone has both a crash course in specific magic, power granted from a Fallen Angel (since Marcone didn't have a lot in the tank by himself), and Namshiel running co-pilot to assist.
Likely at the end of BG, Marcone had two issues. First, he wasn't it was worth trying to keep the eye from other interested parties. Second, throwing down with Harry isn't a sure thing (fortune seems to favor him). Third, killing Harry might spark conflict with Mab, the White Council (at least at that point), or even Odin.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 10, 2020, 02:57:07 PM ---Marcone hasn't, but Namshiel is a Fallen Angel, so yeah...
I'm not happy with that, yeah I know, not my call, but... So since at least one of the wizards who got soulfire, also used it with necromancy, does that say that archangels are really bad a judging the people they are giving the soulfire to? Or because of free will they don't think it is their problem?
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Sorry but it was Marcone at the wheel for that stuff by the looks of it.
As for soulfire, keep in mind that the first guy we see them give it to is a guy that had a 1/3 chance of going full Kemmler two years after he got it.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 10, 2020, 07:41:06 PM ---There will be drawbacks. He will loose his principles, the loyalty of his followers and he already lost a friend. At some point he will probably loose Gard’s respect as the fallen will influence his personality.
He will loose his soul.
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There was that whole scene where he had to be coaxed into not letting civilians be slaughtered for one example of this.
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 10, 2020, 10:20:59 PM ---true. But Harry having studied magic his whole life isn't crap compared to Marcone right now... Unless Marcone doesn't actually know all the magic he was using and was heavily relying on Namshiel to act for him in lieu of actual knowledge/experience.. it just seems so off to me. Perhaps if Harry had picked up Lasciels coin he really would have been a beast with what he could do .
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Both off and completely in line with Lash's tempting offers.
As for Harry with Lasciel, depends on if he would actually take the training or if he'd decide just spamming hellfire would get him in less debt to her.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 10, 2020, 09:05:50 PM ---That's my point, it isn't anywhere as far as I know.. Suddenly well, there is more than one star born, and oh maybe eight wizards were gifted soul fire.. So that makes Harry not so special after all for starters... Then saying when they mix soul fire with necromancy it has bad results? What I am saying why would an archangel give it to someone who'd do that in the first place?
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Eight wizards in 52000 years of himanity, assuming wizardry started with people. I mean, Gilgamesh having had it would change nothing.
We always knew that Elaine was also probably starborn. Listens isn't a Harry level talent.
Also, I posted before: I think it is the White Court, and an attempt by the soulfire wielder at true ressurection using necromancy. Not evil, that.
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