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It's all Mab's fault! (Battle Ground Spoilers)

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Arjan:

--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on October 07, 2020, 07:04:13 AM ---There is a certain truth in this assertion, though I think in the case of Murphy, Mab's influence does not change anything truly important. Murphy is too stubborn and has too  much experience with psychic assault to be truly effected by Mab's prompting. Even if Mab isn't there Murphy would do the same and she might even die faster in the war if her pain or some irrelevant fear distracted her during the battle. In Murphy's case, Mab's influence has all the positive effect without the negatives. At least I think so.

I am really upset when Murphy died. I mean, I stop reading the book for about 2 minutes just to calm myself down. Her death was quite a shock at the time.

Ultimately though her presence there is nescesary. Harry would have died at least twice if Murphy and the reinforcement she brings does not arrive in time. And without Harry Chicago would have been lost.

The price is heavy but I must say she died well.

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What Gard said.

Nivarius:

--- Quote from: Mira on October 07, 2020, 06:02:35 AM ---I agree, and it is part of the understanding I believe she and Harry came to.  At some point Mab talks about giving up her soul bit by bit to save people who will never know who did it.  Or it might have been Harry, cannot remember now, but he understands because when those people chose to fight under his banner, he felt them die, and a bit of his soul with them.  I think the interactions between Harry and Mab are my favorite parts of the book.  Mab is also pleased that Harry didn't choose to use the Winter Mantle to compel people to fight under his banner.  I think she likes her Knight to be able to use the mantle as a tool, not have the mantle use him.  That was the case with Slate and as a result he was almost useless to her and ultimately betrayed her.

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I read the moment as Mab being proud of Harry for not wanting to dull the pain with the Winter Mantle, and understanding that it was important for him to feel the people under his banner die, to remind him of the price.


Also, about all being Mab's fault... Rudolph and Murphy are a small sacrifice for being able to stop Ethniu. If she hadn't prepared the field, everyone would probably have died.

Mira:

--- Quote ---I read the moment as Mab being proud of Harry for not wanting to dull the pain with the Winter Mantle, and understanding that it was important for him to feel the people under his banner die, to remind him of the price.


Also, about all being Mab's fault... Rudolph and Murphy are a small sacrifice for being able to stop Ethniu. If she hadn't prepared the field, everyone would probably have died.
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Yes, but I believe it is a little more complicated, that is why at the end of the book Harry understood now how someone like Mab loses her soul.  It doesn't happen all at once, but bit by bit.

I agree as far as Murphy is concerned.  Rudolph, however wasn't a sacrifice, it will be interesting to see if he survived if what is left of his sanity is intact.

Dina:
I think the TWG is directly responsible for Murphy demise, I don't know why. Perhaps because she was not going to be happy ever again with so many injuries, perhaps because He needs that Harry losses her. I don't know. But Murphy did a wonderful thing, deserving a reward and perhaps Rest is the reward.

Why do I say that he is responsible, because too many "random" things led to Murphy's death. Bradley couldn't move with his daughter and Rudolph at the same time, so Harry and Murhpy asked him to leave Rudolph. The gun dropped to the floor and no one had the time to take it. Then Rudolph completely freak out. And Harry suddenly (not before that) discovered that he couldn't raise his arm for a Forzare. I just think there are too many "coincidences" and I only can see the TWG as having that control over reality.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Dina on October 09, 2020, 08:00:47 PM ---I think the TWG is directly responsible for Murphy demise, I don't know why. Perhaps because she was not going to be happy ever again with so many injuries, perhaps because He needs that Harry losses her. I don't know. But Murphy did a wonderful thing, deserving a reward and perhaps Rest is the reward.

Why do I say that he is responsible, because too many "random" things led to Murphy's death. Bradley couldn't move with his daughter and Rudolph at the same time, so Harry and Murhpy asked him to leave Rudolph. The gun dropped to the floor and no one had the time to take it. Then Rudolph completely freak out. And Harry suddenly (not before that) discovered that he couldn't raise his arm for a Forzare. I just think there are too many "coincidences" and I only can see the TWG as having that control over reality.

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Odin has a certain reputation of making sure you die at the height of your reputation before you can decline so you can be collected by the valkyries

And those two can very well have worked together in this case in light of a recent woj about claims on persons and waking up in walhalla confused.

Because Karrin was a catholic Uriel had a claim too but they have yearly lunches and Karrin’s latest choice was more in line with Odin than with Christianity.

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