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BrainFireBob:
The Blacks are new, relatively speaking. Starting around the time of the Conquista if Dracula was the first.

The White Court, which uses Etruscan as its official language, quite probably was the original "European" vampire. Maybe they were originally behind Roman patricians? Their move to eliminate the Black Court makes more sense if the Black Court was encroaching on their territory.

Their moving to North America is their expanding operations.

In fact, I have this complicated and longwinded theory that to understand the first half-dozen Dresden books, you have to view Chicago as a kind of supernatural Casablanca that both the Red Court and White Court were making power plays to take over; and Harry wandered in before Marcone "stole" it as a Freehold. Too valuable of a nexus.

vultur:

--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on October 08, 2020, 09:47:11 PM ---In the last 200 years, sure. But the Maya go back much further than the Aztec- we're talking 0AD. Back then I think the Forest People were responsible for choking them off into South America only.

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Maybe, but the Red Court might just not have been that interested. The population density in pre-Columbian times was way higher in Mesoamerica than in North America north of Mexico, really pretty amazingly high given that they were doing all their agriculture without draft animals or anything.

And the Red Court probably avoided the overly-sunny and thinly-populated desert of northern Mexico; they would try to expand southward rather than northward.

Mira:

--- Quote from: vultur on October 09, 2020, 04:43:53 AM ---Maybe, but the Red Court might just not have been that interested. The population density in pre-Columbian times was way higher in Mesoamerica than in North America north of Mexico, really pretty amazingly high given that they were doing all their agriculture without draft animals or anything.

And the Red Court probably avoided the overly-sunny and thinly-populated desert of northern Mexico; they would try to expand southward rather than northward.

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Yeah, but a ten year drought softened up the Maya for the Red Court to pick off.

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: vultur on October 09, 2020, 04:43:53 AM ---Maybe, but the Red Court might just not have been that interested. The population density in pre-Columbian times was way higher in Mesoamerica than in North America north of Mexico, really pretty amazingly high given that they were doing all their agriculture without draft animals or anything.

And the Red Court probably avoided the overly-sunny and thinly-populated desert of northern Mexico; they would try to expand southward rather than northward.

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Higher or not, territory is territory. There's the question about whether the supernaturals could reach to the New World via the Ways or not.

morriswalters:
Apex predators aren't nomadic unless their prey is. So if the Reds didn't get here early because the Mayans didn't. And there are no Native American versions of the vampire, are there?  So every vampire here is an immigrant. On the other hand there were a lot of boats in the Med and a lot of travel in the prechristian eras.

Finding the island if you've been there is easy. Assuming you knew how to navigate and can see the stars. On the other hand how did Merlin find it to build the prison? :o

And in a related question is Kemmler a product of using the ley lines of the prison before he was able? In other words did the prison make Kemmler what he was.  And why is Harry getting so irrationally angry?

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