The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Will the Outsider, HWWBehind, turn out to be the unsung hero at the end?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 07, 2020, 05:30:01 AM ---Except I don't think that can happen because Harry is star born. An Outsider cannot mentally whammy him, at least according to Lash, they cannot.
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They can not or he is just better at resisting it?
--- Quote ---You have the potential to hold great power over them. You may be able to escape the power now held over you.
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The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 07, 2020, 05:30:01 AM ---Except I don't think that can happen because Harry is star born. An Outsider cannot mentally whammy him, at least according to Lash, they cannot.
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reread it again, he can't be corrupted by enteracting with them. He can get whammies just like anyone else. But that's besides the point, nothing was done to him to compel him, not on the mental level.
*Lash would not needed to have died otherwise.
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 07, 2020, 10:00:00 AM --- reread it again, he can't be corrupted by enteracting with them. He can get whammies just like anyone else. But that's besides the point, nothing was done to him to compel him, not on the mental level.
*Lash would not needed to have died otherwise.
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I'm not sure what you are saying. Harry was aware of what Vittorio was doing with his attack, he wasn't compelled to nothing. He knew he couldn't do anything, or at least at that point because he had no clue that he was a star born and had power over Outsiders.
Lasciel/Lash then tried to tempt him to take up the coin so he could fight them. Harry refused, he didn't want to be a slave to her, he'd rather die or go mad with his friends. When he doesn't give in, she agrees that Lasciel doesn't deserve him, then she explains to him that he can fight them and had before when he was sixteen. Then she took the psychic bullet for Harry and he was able to move and fight.
--- Quote ---They can not or he is just better at resisting it?
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Both I think, it is like when he and Eb fought the cornerhounds. Eb knew about fighting them, but they were afraid of Harry and he was actually able to see what they see when they see him.
What makes Outsiders so bad ass is their psychic attic. And they did make an effort to recruit him, or Sharkface did in Cold Days. Harry is able to see through that and not be influenced.
The_Sibelis:
@mira, you said lash said he was immune to mental whammy, never said that, if he was immune to it she need not have sacrificed herself. What he's immune to is corruption/influence by mentally rubbing shoulders against them. If they break open his mind and leave him a blithering idiot he's going to be a blithering idiot..
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 07, 2020, 12:32:35 PM ---@mira, you said lash said he was immune to mental whammy, never said that, if he was immune to it she need not have sacrificed herself. What he's immune to is corruption/influence by mentally rubbing shoulders against them. If they break open his mind and leave him a blithering idiot he's going to be a blithering idiot..
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At that point in the story though, he hadn't even realized he could battle them, or know how. First Lash tries one last time for him to take up the coin, to fight them, but he refuses, that is when he says he'd rather have rice pudding for a brain than take up a coin.. Then she tells him he has power over them. However she doesn't tell him how to fight them, just that he can. He still need help though at that point. I didn't say immune, what I said that it is hard to put the whammy on someone who is aware you are trying to do it. That enables Harry to resist, then fight them. If they could do it, don't you think Justine would have done it on the Beetle as tired, hurt, and distracted by grief as Harry was in that moment? If ever Harry was vulnerable to a mental attack, that was it.
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