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Anyone Else Surprised or Disappointed That Harry
CrusherJen:
--- Quote from: StrayDog on October 14, 2020, 01:12:42 AM ---Clearly JB has memorialized that Ivy [Harry's friend] had made arrangements with Mab [the evil Fae queen that Harry is DESPERATE to get away from] for Kincaid [the assassin Harry contracted to kill Mab's new Winter Knight] to shoot Harry through the heart [a more survivable injury than through the head] so he can fall into the lake where Mab [the evil Fae queen that Harry is DESPERATE to get away from] can save him and then [after 6 months of Harry being literally at death's door] she can take him to the center of her power where he is completely under her control while he recovers from the most compromised physical [and maybe mental] state he probably has ever been in. Guys, I think this part of the conversation has jumped it's shark.
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If Ivy had said nothing, done nothing, Harry most likely would have died from a bullet in the head. Sure, surviving and winding up in Mab's clutches isn't the best place for Harry to be, but considering the alternative... Alive and in a bad situation is better than dead and gone. And what else could she really do? The Archive is supposed to be neutral, aware but interfering as little as possible in events outside of the Oblivion War. So my WAG is, Ivy was extremely limited in what she could alter, and changing Kincaid's aim was the absolute limit of what she could do. What happened after wasn't something she could control; she had to have faith in Harry to get through it as well as he could. (I could be wrong, of course, which is why I'm labeling this theory a WAG. YMMV.)
The notion that Ivy tipped Mab off interesting, but I suspect Mab would have been able to find Harry without it, through the tie of Winter power that binds Knight and Queen. So... it's a possibility, but I'm thinking it's less than likely that Ivy had to contact Mab at all. Again, YMMV.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: CrusherJen on October 14, 2020, 09:20:41 AM ---If Ivy had said nothing, done nothing, Harry most likely would have died from a bullet in the head. Sure, surviving and winding up in Mab's clutches isn't the best place for Harry to be, but considering the alternative... Alive and in a bad situation is better than dead and gone. And what else could she really do? The Archive is supposed to be neutral, aware but interfering as little as possible in events outside of the Oblivion War. So my WAG is, Ivy was extremely limited in what she could alter, and changing Kincaid's aim was the absolute limit of what she could do. What happened after wasn't something she could control; she had to have faith in Harry to get through it as well as he could. (I could be wrong, of course, which is why I'm labeling this theory a WAG. YMMV.)
The notion that Ivy tipped Mab off interesting, but I suspect Mab would have been able to find Harry without it, through the tie of Winter power that binds Knight and Queen. So... it's a possibility, but I'm thinking it's less than likely that Ivy had to contact Mab at all. Again, YMMV.
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But when did the archive tip off Mab? If it was just before the hit Mab would have prevented it. I think she was there just because she was watching her knight.
CrusherJen:
I'm not sure Ivy tipped off Mab at all. I think it's more likely Mab sensed her Knight was in danger through the bonds of Winter power and acted to save him on her own. I'm not completely ruling out the idea that Ivy contacted Mab, but I don't find it likely. It's an interesting theory though. ;)
magnuskn:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 06, 2020, 01:34:39 PM ---
Didn't talk to Ivy? Yes, I understand she is totally into her Archive role now, but she is still Ivy. I
believe that Ivy still sees Harry as a friend. What I thought was weird, he didn't even give her
a head nod in acknowledgement or vice versa..
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Yeah, absolutely. It's basically my biggest disappointment of the two-parter, aside from the Merlin not having a talk with Harry (which is a minor point compared to him not talking with Ivy).
forumghost:
TBH I just assumed that Mab was there waiting for it because she expected Harry to try and kill himself to get out of being her Knight because that was very much a Harry thing to do.
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