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[major BG spoilers] About the Council.
Avernite:
I think we're overlooking Ramirez.
Sure, Harry has pull with young wizards, but he's also scary. But he had unscary friend young wizards. And if ALL the cool young wizards like him, can he be THAT bad as the Merlin wants you to think?
Ah, but then BG (and cold case) happened. Suddenly Harry is annoying Ramirez at every turn (hanging with 'ooh the virgin snack' Raith, 'I kicked you to a pulp' Carpenter, and to boot messing with his cloak for no good reason), and then all his friends died. Ramirez, too, is utterly beaten up and angry at Harry and his friends.
So now the Merlin can make his powerplay without annoying the 'cool kids' too much. They'll still swing mostly back around because, well, Harry IS on the right side (mostly, see getting burned by Butters) - but for now there was bad blood, and a political animal like the Merlin smelled it.
And if Harry had accepted their ridiculous terms... well then he wouldn't be more unconstrained than he was as a Warden, either. Being able to make Harry Dresden do your bidding would've done plenty to offset not having Harry Dresden around to come kick them.
Dina:
I definitely think Harry did not handle things with Ramirez well. He could have told him things, like "Please, Carlos. I have my reasons and they are not Mab related. Please, trust me" and simply, not lying to him. It is much better to say "I can't tell you" than to tell a lie. And I was very angry when Ramirez told him that he shouldn't have be with Mab, he should have told him "I did it for my daughter, what choice did I have?" or something like that.
I also understand Ramirez being wary of Mab, but precisely with Harry having previous commitments to the Council, Mab would respect them. Firing Harry frees Mab.
forumghost:
Yeah, Harry was a total moron with Carlos in PT.
Carlos: "Bro, are you fucking the evil vampire queen"
Harry: "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, how dare you ask me about my personal life you asshole"
Like jesus dude, are you fucking trying to make him think that you are enthralled???
Rigil Kent:
--- Quote from: forumghost on October 06, 2020, 08:24:10 PM ---Yeah, Harry was a total moron with Carlos in PT.
Carlos: "Bro, are you fucking the evil vampire queen"
Harry: "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, how dare you ask me about my personal life you asshole"
Like jesus dude, are you fucking trying to make him think that you are enthralled???
--- End quote ---
At the same time, I feel like the Wardens had already convinced themselves that he was, so whatever he'd say would be either ignored or construed as deception. I don't disagree that he should have said, flat-out, "No. Hell no." but I'm not sure they would have believed him at all...
wardenferry419:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 06, 2020, 06:48:51 PM ---This seems foolish. My brother finished the book this weekend, so we started talking about it. His big complaint is the conversation with Carlos. Harry's just not there for it, which I get. He's too drained to care too much. Anyway, my brother made the point that the Council has thrown away it's top two field soldiers. First Morgan and now Harry. And they're threatening to get rid of the Blackstaff?!? Like Eb's just going to accept it?
Kicking Harry out only really makes sense to me if elements in the Council are being stupid and other elements need Harry out so he can operate outside of the strictures of the Council.
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I think that is a key point. Someone's goal is to fracture the Council. What do you do? Set up a disruptive mole.(Peabody) Eliminate one of it's staunch supporters. (Morgan) Have people question the actions of fringe elements.(Harry) Divide up key personnel. (Grey Council)
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