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The one thing in battleground the bugged me: [BG Spoilers]

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noblehunter:

--- Quote from: Shift8 on October 05, 2020, 09:40:58 PM ---How are you going to get these experts? If the government somehow convinces some people to lie on TV, there are going to be quadruple that number taking them to task in public. If they use fake experts, everyone in those fields is going to be scratching their heads where these people came from and that is going to rapidly be public information.

It was the Iranians? What coherent explanation is going to make that make sense? With what weapons? How did they move that many personnel in secret? These things are impossible. No one is going to believe that. Even the average lay person is going to have a hard time swallowing this kind of explanation. Especially since we have 8 million witnesses and tons of physical evidence. You are also forgetting that an accusation like that is going to be refuted by Iran and everyone else internationally. It would be impossible to generate convincing false evidence of an attack on this scale and very easily falsified. Large troop and weapons movements cannot be hidden easily, and they are never covered up long term. This just does not happen.

-If the truth comes out later the lie will be worse than useless. It will backfire. Nobody lies when they know for certain that they wont be able to pull off the lie. That defeats the purpose.

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Same place they already get experts for hire. The key thing is that no one will be able to contradict them without sounding like lunatics to anyone who wasn't in Chicago. They don't need to invent experts, just provide them with words to say. The experts will also want to believe an easier truth, as well. It's very difficult to refute something without being able to provide an alternative explanation. The innocent and guilty alike would say "it wasn't us but we have no clue what actually happened."

There's less than eight million survivors. That's not the same thing as witnesses. Not to mention, the lie isn't about anything that happened. It would be about why things happened. Since barely anyone knows why the attack happened, the lie will be fairly resilient.

Never underestimate the stupidity of politicians facing an out-of-context crisis.

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: Shift8 on October 05, 2020, 09:05:56 PM ---This would be highly out of character for the U.S. government. The U.S. Government has done its fair share of unseemly acts, but completely making up an enemy and attacking them as a cover up is something it has never done. If there is some event like this that I am not aware of it either happened a very long time ago or was not done on this kind of scale.

And there is a reason it has not been done on this kind of scale, if ever. Governments cannot cover up things on this kind of scale, and blaming a foreign power or terrorist group would be so easily falsified that it would be completely pointless to try. Not only would be incredibly easy to falsify, but there would be too many layers of government involved for this to even be practical. Something like a CIA coup in the 1950's or 1960's was possible without anyone knowing because the entire operation was clandestine and could be authorized and carried out without having to involve anyone outside of the executive branch. This wont work with the battle of Chicago because it is a massive event and everyone will be involved. Congress, state governments, local governments etc.

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This was explicitly proposed by the CIA as a means of legitimizing an invasion of Cuba during the Missile Crisis- hitting Florida with an American nuke and blaming the Russians/Cubans.

Kennedy, to his credit regardless of what other opinions people may hold, flipped his lid over it and essentially told the CIA to stuff it for the remainder of his presidency.

Mira:


There is the old saying, "say a lie long enough and loud enough, people will believe you."  I am surprised that they didn't add that gas bombs containing hallucinogens were set off less than five minutes into the attack, followed by a short lived virus that tainted the city's water system that attacked a special part of the brain causing major paranoia, causing citizens to actually turn on each other with the weapons they had on hand...

Dina:
To the OP:
Think this. Imagine that tomorrow, in middle of this pandemic, future elections, and things like that Chicago is all but destroyed. You are not there. But perhaps you or something you know have family there. And that family survived and tells you all what happened. A big Titan, monsters in the streets. At the same time you read in newspapers, social networks (Supernatural people uses social networks too, except for the wizards), TV, radio tells you that there was a terrorist attack, and some massive allucinations around, probably because of gases or drugs or whatever.
Who would you believe? Wouldn't you think that perhaps the Chicagoan were traumatized for so much slaughter, pain, destruction?

I have an example more on point that WW2 or the nuclear bombs, which were natural. Do you believe the Fatima miracles actually happened? Only around 100 years ago, not 600 or anything, in a time were some cameras already existed and some skepticism were around, literally hundreds of people claim to have seen the Virgin Mary. And more than once. Yes, there are not 8 million people, but there are quite a bunch. And do you, personally, believe it? Probably not, because they told you that they are lying or they had been victims of massive hysteria. Why wouldn't the same logic apply to Chicago?

That said, it's obvious that not everyone will believe the official story. But if denial happens even about tragic real natural things why wouldn't it happen for supernatural things, and much more. We all want to sleep better at night.

Still, I wouldn't go with terrorism. I would have gone, as suggested, with a hurricane or something. And then I would have said that gangs terrorized people who where in such a state of desperation, panic and pain that they thought they were monsters.

Mira:

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Still, I wouldn't go with terrorism. I would have gone, as suggested, with a hurricane or something. And then I would have said that gangs terrorized people who where in such a state of desperation, panic and pain that they thought they were monsters.
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It could work if one goes with that the water and air were poisoned, and it affected people's minds to the point where absolute chaos ruled.  Private citizens in this country have access to weapons and things to inflict that kind of damage on themselves and their city under the influence of a mind altering drug.  Then the national government could take up the cause, they don't really know what happened but they cannot admit to that.. So they will pick one of the usual suspect groups from one of the usual suspect countries, blame them and retaliate!  Many will die and we will all feel better because the deaths were avenged..

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