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Butters *battle grounds*
Mira:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on October 16, 2020, 06:34:33 AM ---She's changing but I still have faith in that Cold Case description.
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Me too, Molly is proving so far at least that a Winter Queen can be as sane and reasonable as a Summer Queen. Cold Case also shows the key work the Lady actually does. It is no accident that Nemesis targeted the Ladies of both courts.
StrayDog:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 16, 2020, 05:48:44 AM ---Yes, her personality could be anything that Jim wanted to be. And the one in the books is the personality he wanted for her. And I also think, as much as it hurts to lose her, that as a reader
you wouldn't want it any different either if you think about it. If he had her do as you suggest, the qualities that made her Murphy would change, and you'd still lose her.
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Hate to tell you but as a reader who has given this a great deal of thought, I would like the character better a different way. Hence my position that I disagree with JB's choices for Murph and Butters starting from the point I feel JB could have written differently. There are people who think the Mona Lisa should have been painted differently too, the counter point isn't "that's the way he painted her". JB has plans for Murph but probably needs her to be able to withstand more combat damage. My guess is that I will still disagree with his choices there too.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: StrayDog on October 15, 2020, 02:52:13 AM ---@morriswalters
pretty sure you know I was referring to Harry as the male not Molly
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What? I was referring to Butter being the object of wish fulfillment. He represents forty year old adolescents wanting to believe that at forty they could have washboard abs and fight monsters. Maybe I misunderstood you.
Molly's been Winter Lady a couple of years. Mab pretty much implied that she would be walking Harry around with a leash if she ascended to Queen, and maybe worse.
--- Quote ---“Kill Molly Carpenter,” she said calmly. “As quickly as possible.” “Funny,” I said. Mab stared at me. Of course. She hadn’t been joking. On a normal day, I would have been more upset. Today already hurt so much that I hardly noticed. Mab wanted me to kill someone. She usually did. It was sort of my job description. I frowned dully at her. “Why?” “As Winter Lady, she shows promise,” Mab said. “But she is not ready to become Mab. The consequences would be . . . unsettling. For both of you. Perhaps for all of Winter.”
Butcher, Jim. Battle Ground (Dresden Files) (pp. 219-220). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Dina:
::)
That is an interpretation, we don't know what she actually means.
Mira:
--- Quote from: StrayDog on October 16, 2020, 01:54:16 PM ---Hate to tell you but as a reader who has given this a great deal of thought, I would like the character better a different way. Hence my position that I disagree with JB's choices for Murph and Butters starting from the point I feel JB could have written differently. There are people who think the Mona Lisa should have been painted differently too, the counter point isn't "that's the way he painted her". JB has plans for Murph but probably needs her to be able to withstand more combat damage. My guess is that I will still disagree with his choices there too.
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She got fenced in somewhat from the beginning, athletically gifted in hand to hand combat, crack shot, smart, cop's mentality about justice and the law. That worked great until she left the police force, she still was able to use her skills, but Knight of the Cross didn't exactly fit her, nor head of a vigilante group. Jim I think had already said, no power ups for Murphy, and her fans seem to agree with that. Keep Murphy as she is, a sane vanilla anchor for Harry, and she is a good fighter as well.
Okay, but time marches on, from the start she if five years older than Harry, and while as a wizard, he is still considered quite young, she is in the middle of middle age, the slam bang fights that she was always so go at, seem less and less plausible.. So in Skin Game it all caught up with her, big time. So now lets consummate the dance her and Harry have been doing for years.. So what is left? Having her killed by a cheap shot after her doing an heroic deed.
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