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BG SPOILERS: new perspective, KoTC, Denarians and so on.

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huangjimmy108:

--- Quote from: Mira on October 03, 2020, 02:48:18 PM ---
The Swords are not about balance, they are a tool to fight the Fallen in the coins.. The Knights who wield them are more important, they are about giving the hosts of the coins the choice to redeem themselves.

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My new perspective is this. I don't think saving the coin holder is the main priority. I think allowing them to make a choice is more important. Even if the coin holder choose the path of darkness, as long as the coin holder make a choice, the TWG camp would have gain something in the process. Of course they prefer it if the soul can be redeemed, but I think the *Choice* aspect has a higher priority than the *redemption* aspect.

Yuillegan:
I see your point. It's an interesting take. I definitely think, especially considering what Uriel considers his purpose, that all in the service of Heaven are really just there to create and defend Choice (especially including the "right" choice).

I don't agree that the Swords cannot kill the Denarian's mortal part, the Fallen's host. The first scene where we meet the full Knights of the Cross in Death Masks (Book 5) and the first time we meet the Knights of the Blackened Denarius, Michael quite literally uses Amoracchius to kill the host Rasmussen and severe his possession by Ursiel. And both Shiro and Sanya would have done the same, if necessary. So if it came down to it they would do what must be done. Killing the host seems to be a viable alternative to getting the host to give up the Coin, even if it is a last resort. Michael arguably almost killed Nick in Skin Game, Nicodemus survived by using the Grail to shield himself.

huangjimmy108:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on October 04, 2020, 12:57:38 AM ---I see your point. It's an interesting take. I definitely think, especially considering what Uriel considers his purpose, that all in the service of Heaven are really just there to create and defend Choice (especially including the "right" choice).

I don't agree that the Swords cannot kill the Denarian's mortal part, the Fallen's host. The first scene where we meet the full Knights of the Cross in Death Masks (Book 5) and the first time we meet the Knights of the Blackened Denarius, Michael quite literally uses Amoracchius to kill the host Rasmussen and severe his possession by Ursiel. And both Shiro and Sanya would have done the same, if necessary. So if it came down to it they would do what must be done. Killing the host seems to be a viable alternative to getting the host to give up the Coin, even if it is a last resort. Michael arguably almost killed Nick in Skin Game, Nicodemus survived by using the Grail to shield himself.

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I argue that the Denarians who is fully controlled by their fallen like Rasmussen and those who are actively cooperating with their fallen like Nick are given different treatment.

Previously I believe that TWG main objective is to save people, which is why I discount the possibility of different treatment between these 2 types of Denarians. But if their main purpose is *Choices*, than those Denarians who are fully controlled and are unable to make *Free will* choices anymore has a lower value compare to the likes of Nicodemous. Which is why they can be directly killed.

So far, no denarians like Nicodemous has been directly killed by a sword strike. Sure, Michael tried, but the fact that we never seen it ever succeeded seem to tell us something. I mean, when it is about the holy swords there is no coincidence.

CrusherJen:

--- Quote ---Well, post BG there are a few things I see differently from before. KoTC and the Denarians are just one of them. One thing I notice is the fact that Marcone has been holding and using Namsiel's coin for years now and the KoTC has not even reacted. No mission from above, no divine revelation, nothing. Assuming that Marcone has not done any bad things with this power all this time, I doubt anyone would believed it.
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The thing is, Thorned Namshiel has been keeping a very low profile. So how would he come to the attention of the Knights? As far as they know, Marcone's a vanilla mortal crimelord, which isn't great, but not anything the Swords were meant to deal with. And they've got twenty-nine other Denarians (give or take) keeping them busy.

If Marcone and Namshiel do something obviously supernaturally evil, then yes, I'd expect the Knights to become aware and act as a counter. But until then (or until Harry lets it slip), I expect they will continue to slide under the Swords' radar.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Mira on October 03, 2020, 02:48:18 PM ---
The Swords are not about balance,

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all of reality in the DF is about balance..

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