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Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]

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StrayDog:

--- Quote from: Dina on October 10, 2020, 03:35:58 AM ---I personally love Butters. I was angry at him by his lack of faith in Harry when he was back from the Dead, but after seen him believing in Harry again, being there for him, Butters is again one of my favorites. Sanya too. And I love the jedi saber since the beginning, I think is awesome. Obviously, this is just my preference, but I am trying to see if there is a pattern between the people who have no problems with Butters until he became a Jedi  :)

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Butters is also one of my favs and I have no problem with him being a KotC, being a SW nerd, etc. Butters as a character is fine.

Dina:
@Mira, I don't know, I frankly don't care too much for that. I think it was out of place, but not from a moral point of view but from a literary one. A little like conjuritis, but at least conjuritis gave us a moment of danger (spiders when trying to be sneaky), a moment of usefulness (anvil) and a moment of fun (Mab saying "Just when I was beginning to respect you" or something like that. It could have been better but at least I can understand the rationale of Jim writing it. But the part about Marci and Andi I thought it would be important during the fight, when Butters risking his life to save one of them, but not. We did not even see Butters worrying when Harry basically told the Alphas to risk taking a bullet for him. And the only call back to that were the two of them "guarding" him and Sanya at the end, when they were injured. So, the scene is his apartment was mostly a head-scratching moment.

@StrayDog, ok, thanks. That is not what happens to me. I simply love it. And I am reminded of my all memories too (and I am older than you, I remember the feeling the first time I saw a lightsaber on screen in the first movie) but not in a bad way. It does not take me away of the Dresdenverse any more like Wagner's Valkyrie ride, or Welcome to the Jungle.

StrayDog:

--- Quote from: Dina on October 10, 2020, 04:22:04 AM ---@StrayDog, ok, thanks. That is not what happens to me. I simply love it. And I am reminded of my all memories too (and I am older than you, I remember the feeling the first time I saw a lightsaber on screen in the first movie) but not in a bad way. It does not take me away of the Dresdenverse any more like Wagner's Valkyrie ride, or Welcome to the Jungle.

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I'm envious that it doesn't take you out of the story, wish it wouldn't for me but oh well. The whole threesome bit showed up on the boat with Murph and the Valkyrie so I think it was JB providing a little foreshadowing. All of the side characters deserved better treatment from JB in BG. I feel it would have been better if he focused on just those with him and left the rest to the fog of battle.

The_Sibelis:
Mmm considering how much of the all hero mythology, every story is a retelling I see wrapped up in the DF, not only did I not mind the faithsaber, I absolutely loved it! I think the reason it exists has not yet come to pass the actually. Woj is when butters made it what it is it became more pure, more powerful, but also more vulnerable.(easier to abuse cit*) See... Where as when it's tied to the cross and judeo-christian ideals, jedi are a little more fluid. They don't stop being what they are when they fall. They change into something else.. I think we'll see that happen at some point. Jedi to Sith or whatever.
Now the whole two chicks thing... Idk. Butters doesn't wear it well imo. I can't think of a specific reasoning for it.. unless the threat to punch Dresden was an indication of butters slow fall from grace, with the wolf chicks being part of the lynch pin.

morriswalters:
Look back at Michael and Harry in the Train Station fighting off Hobs in the Myrk. Were the Swords of Faith not inspiring enough? As late as Skin Game he has Michael in the vault using the sword and his faith to save Harry in one of the scarier fights Jim has written.

Butters reached his peak in Dead Beat, when having nothing, he chose to stand and fight, knowing that he would probably die. I almost lost my mind I was so excited.

Then, in hero journey that ran at the speed of light, he becomes the magic skateboard rider who screws over his friends and gets a magic weapon. And by next books has abs of steel and two sex partners who are werewolves. And a sword so powerful Jim has to nerf it. It isn't so much that I hate Butter's as it is that he didn't earn what Jim gave him. /end rant

Star Wars (click to show/hide)Not that anybody cares, but I saw Star Wars with free tickets before anybody had any idea about the power of the force.  When the Imperial Star Destroyer edged into view the audience went nuts.  In the space of two weeks they quit having bargain matinees. I saw the first six films with the same friend with whom I shared the first.  By the last we were bringing our children.

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