The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
Arjan:
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That is an assumption, or they might see an avenging angel, which would also make them faint.
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Or they are evil themselves.
--- Quote ---But Harry didn't kill Rudolph, in the emotion of the moment, yes, he wanted to and tried. However the Sword of Faith by giving him a good burn sobered him up from his emotion. In that moment he then chose not to do it, and felt shame that he had tried to do it.
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At the end he did not do it even if he needed some help. The choice is important in combination with the consequences and in the dresdenverse the consequences are all important.
--- Quote ---While I agree that choices can change a person, I don't think it is all that simple. For starters is there a WOJ saying that MM is going to be about evil Harry?
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I think so. It is the kind of Harry that kills other Harries to get an alibi. That is pretty evil.
--- Quote --- We've already been down that Denarian road with Lasciel, he didn't become evil as a result, he did have good people around him that made him realize what was happening, Butters and Murphy.. But if Harry had really gone postal what they told him wouldn't have done any good. That's why the emphasis on his father and that Harry had inherited Malcolm's good heart. Harry will never go totally dark because of that.
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The story wouldn’t be interesting if there was no danger and mirror Harry has no plot armor. Harry could have gone bad.
--- Quote ---Yes, and you also have to look at motive for the choice in the first place. Harry didn't want the job as Winter Knight, he was forced to make the best of several very bad choices. It is also strange how the White Council is so quick to condemn Harry,
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We are sitting inside Harry’s head, they are not. Harry tries to do his duty as a knight but for Eb that duty is just a trap. Their whole world view is build to suspect someone like Harry is now.
--- Quote --- when as a rule Harry thinks very highly of the White Council, in spite of everything.Except Harry has never wanted to be the "Evil Wizard of the West."
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So he is not. He is going to use his position to help people and he is going to make a difference.
--- Quote ---Spoken by someone who is no longer human.
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That does not mean she is wrong. The kind of person Harry wants to be is just different from Lea.
--- Quote ---We know that in that aspect Harry is very human and feels lots of shame when he doesn't live up to what he feels he should be.
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Which should drive him to make better choices.
Mira:
--- Quote ---That does not mean she is wrong. The kind of person Harry wants to be is just different from Lea.
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Which is why Harry will never fully go down that road, because he doesn't want to.. There you have it, free will, a choice.
--- Quote ---Or they are evil themselves.
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In the case of Denton, yes, he was evil and when he saw Harry in the soul gaze he begged for mercy. In the case of Susan, it is hard to say, maybe just the whole idea of a soul gaze freaked her out. Mrs Beckett was freaked out, neither was Vincent's wife freaked, in fact she was reassured by it.
--- Quote ---At the end he did not do it even if he needed some help. The choice is important in combination with the consequences and in the dresdenverse the consequences are all important.
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Yes, they are, it wasn't without consequences, Harry kept mentioning the burn. The burn was a reminder of what he almost did and what it would do to him. He came out a better man for it, not a worse one.
--- Quote ---I think so. It is the kind of Harry that kills other Harries to get an alibi. That is pretty evil.
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An alibi for what? The other Harry isn't going to be evil just because. If you will remember in the Trek story, the other Kirk wasn't considered evil, he was a product of his world.
--- Quote ---The story wouldn’t be interesting if there was no danger and mirror Harry has no plot armor. Harry could have gone bad.
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Or way too predictable, every poster with few exceptions goes on and on about how fun to see a dark Harry.. So if we all know how the story is going to go how interesting is that? As far as going bad goes, Harry has been on a knife's edge from Storm Front on, it's Star Wars and the Force all over again..
--- Quote ---Which should drive him to make better choices.
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And like all of us, Harry does the best he can depending on the circumstances. Can he make better ones? Yes. Does he make mistakes sometimes? Of course he does.. As do we all, the difficult part is learning the right lesson from our choices.
Arjan:
From what I remember the other Harry kidnapped Harry because he needed a body that was unmistakably Harry to make the people trying to get him think Harry was dead. That is evil. These two Harries had the same origins before grave peril so both Harries had the potential for good and evil.
Harry going evil is not that interesting for a main character but the danger of it can add tension to the story
Dina:
That is my point, MM Harry is just too evil. It is difficult (for me) to imagine that our Harry could end being that unless he has external influences, but of course, we will see what JB has in mind.
TheCuriousFan:
Making a deal with Bianca was probably the start, Mavra might not have been a good influence either. From there desperation probably did a wonderful job of wearing down whatever morals were left.
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