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Did Mab break her word to Harry in Battle Ground?

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Arjan:

--- Quote from: Mira on October 02, 2020, 02:04:46 AM ---Or when she died and the Queen's mantle passed to Molly, Molly would no longer be, Molly.  So in essence, Harry wouldn't be killing a person he loved.  That would be very Mabbish, don't you think? ::)

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Except it is not true. Certainly not in Mab’s view.

vultur:

--- Quote from: cbarrett76 on October 01, 2020, 07:59:04 PM ---To me this goes in direct violation to the deal where Harry said "And you give me your word that you will never command me to lift my hand against those I love"

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It sure sounds like it. But I think it's probably a matter of the wording "Should I fall, I have one last command" meaning that Mab is not actually in fact giving that command. It only becomes operative if she dies, at which point her breaking her oath or not is meaningless.

It's a stretch, but I think that's how Faerie work.


--- Quote from: Wrane on October 01, 2020, 09:10:26 PM ---Are we agreed that during the BAT stars will fall and Mab will break her word? or will Mab breaking her word lead to the stars falling.

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More or less, but 'keeps not her word' doesn't necessarily mean 'actively breaks her word', it could also mean she is prevented from doing something she promised to do (such as by being killed).

Or she dies and this command to Harry then becomes operative... "Should I fall" doesn't actually limit it to this battle.

Yeah I expect Mab's death to start the BAT... not that my track record for predictions is any good (I expected Eb to die in BG and Murphy not to).

"Stars will fall" might not be literal, could have something to do with the 'Stars and Stones' bit... or could refer to Eb using some kind of Tunguska attack...

Dina:

--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on October 02, 2020, 01:37:52 AM ---Both yes and no I suppose.

Yes, this order is against the previous bargain and No, it does not break her words or at least it does not matter if Mab broke her words anyway.

This order is only effective if Mab died. If Mab died stars will indeed fall from the sky and it does not matter if she broke her word. She is dead. The binding of fae nature that does not allow her to lie or break her promise is not effective anymore.

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I agree with this.
Also, I was so shocked as the OP when I read that in BG. My first reaction was that Mab was giving Harry a way out. If she died, her command would be effective and, by breaking her word, she would set Harry free of his obligation to Winter. But I am not sure now, because the wording of the original deal does not meant "the deal will break if Mab do that". Is "Mab won't do that". Period. So Mab doing it, is terrible. Unless she is nemfected, I don't understand why she did that. But perhaps JB has an explanation. I don't think that he would have included the word "command" if he just meant to Mab to give Harry an advise.

ElJefe81:
I think the operative thing here is that she doesn't expressly indicate that it's a command to Harry.  It's her last command, which would generally go out to all of Winter (ie she's telling the Redcap or Lea or whoever has opportunity).  In true Winter-fashion she realizes that Harry would have the highest chance of success...because he's the one person in Winter Molly would let her guard down for and be susceptible to treachery.  The phrasing here is key in that she suggests he would be wise to fulfill it, but it's clear he, as the Winter Knight, is not ordered to do so. 

Telynn:
What I don't get is, what would the alternative be?  Mab doesn't think Molly is ready, but if Mab is dead and then Molly is dead.... the mantles of BOTH fall on a couple of people completely unready to be the Winter Queen and Winter Lady?

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