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What's the deal with the horrible communication skills?
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 30, 2020, 05:18:28 PM ---I think what happened when he and Molly attempted to make love did more than cripple him physically, it left severe emotional scars as well.
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I totally agree with this. Molly broke Carlos and Harry doesn't know anything about it.
As for the lack of Harry's response, have you ever lost someone you loved who was too young to die and you didn't see it coming? It can leave you numb. Add Murph to experiencing death about 800 times, and Harry's going to swing from numb to flying off a handle at almost random seems believable to me.
Does Harry have any reason to keep Thomas being his brother a secret anymore? It isn't like it gives him divided loyalties anymore. Especially once everyone finds out he's betrothed to Lara.
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on September 30, 2020, 06:56:43 PM ---Red Court goes after Harry personally and he annihilates them. From a distance, that's what it looks like- Harry's been holding back.
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Does Carlos even know it was personally?
--- Quote from: vultur on September 30, 2020, 07:05:28 PM ---Yeah this book I think starts to show how that confrontation can happen and Harry have a chance.
Harry as an isolated rebel is one thing. Harry as a member of the Winter Court and close ally (or sort-of member?) of the White Court and Warden of Demonreach is something quite different.
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And Harry hints at starting a nation/organization of his own. They also mention how powerful the Paranetters are when working together. I think these are both seeds for something big.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Rigil Kent on September 30, 2020, 05:59:36 PM ---Harry isn't aware of what transpired between Carlos and Molly though, is he? So I think there's some miscommunication on both sides as I believe Carlos thinks Harry does know what happened.
In Harry's defense, he's always sucked at communication and not explaining oneself? It's like Wizard crack, remember? :P
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That's the problem, if he isn't aware, then how does he deal with Carlos's sudden problem with things Winter? Also reading the dialogue between them at the beginning of Battle Ground, Carlos saw the little "show" in the boxing ring while they were springing Thomas, so he believes he is in thick with the vamps. Do you think if Harry tried to explain that Thomas was his brother it would help? You saw Eb's reaction, if Carlos told his superiors, it would be worse. Also I am not sure how much about Demonreach Harry is free to reveal his job there. No, in the end Carlos seems to be equating the White Court with the Black Court because he is blaming getting jumped by Dracul and company on Harry. Also Harry is like his grandfather, he keeps things close to the vest.
BrainFireBob:
There's a question of who knows what at play.
How well-known is the paternity of Maggie, daughter of Fellowship of St. Giles member Susan Rodriguez? How well known was the kidnapping? How well-known was the strike of the Eebs? Their end in the Erlking's hall?
There are paths where the assassination attempt on Harry, followed by his elimination of the Red Court, occur, far more easily than the true story.
Heck, Mab was *not* subtle about claiming Harry. And he immediately charged into Chicken Itza alongside the Leanansidhe.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Heck, Mab was *not* subtle about claiming Harry. And he immediately charged into Chicken Itza alongside the Leanansidhe.
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However he didn't really have any good options, it was the least bad of the lot. However the questions that should be asked is does anyone know....
1] Harry's spine was broken, the Red King was about to kill his daughter, his grandfather, and himself. He was also offered very little help.
2] Uriel told him as long as he was motivated by love he would never stray so far that he couldn't get back on the right path.
3] That Harry reversed the Red King's spell when Susan transformed, thus hoisting the Red King by his own petard..
4] That Harry attempted to suicide to avoid becoming Mab's Knight. That only the intervention of Mab and Uriel with help from the island and a parasite in his head keep him slightly alive.
5] The seven words that Uriel spoke to him that if he keeps to them will prevent him from ever becoming her slave...
Answer, No, they don't, and I am not sure it would help if they did.
SerScot:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 30, 2020, 05:18:28 PM --- I think there isn't a whole lot Harry can say to Carlos at this point as long as he is Winter Knight.
I think what happened when he and Molly attempted to make love did more than cripple him physically, it left severe emotional scars as well. I realize he is a Warden and his duty is to enforce what the Senior Council rules, but he seemed to have drunk the whole glass of kool aid as well. Does he really think Harry is a monster? Does he really think it is Harry's fault that his fellow Wardens were killed or worse by the Black Court?
Do you honestly think confessing to Carlos that Thomas was his brother would help? Or would Carlos have the same attitude as Eb? Or more to the point if this did get around that his half brother was a vampire, the Council would be even more against him.Except Eb doesn't share them, so in the end he might make it worse not just for Carlos but Eb as well.That wouldn't get him very far, especially if Carlos already didn't trust him.Except Carlos seems perfectly willing to become Morgan, that is the problem.. Harry is back to being under the Doom.
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The “WC is compromised” is the best option. Carlos had his own name for the BC in White Night.
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