The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
What's the deal with the horrible communication skills?
Mira:
--- Quote from: vultur on September 30, 2020, 07:05:28 PM ---Yeah this book I think starts to show how that confrontation can happen and Harry have a chance.
Harry as an isolated rebel is one thing. Harry as a member of the Winter Court and close ally (or sort-of member?) of the White Court and Warden of Demonreach is something quite different.
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Yes, but at this point anyway I don't think Harry or Lara want it.
--- Quote ---Harry admires how Carlos can throw such low-energy punches endlessly, because Harry's swing-for-the-fences approach is exhausting. Now see it from Carlos's perspective: Harry can punch like Ebenezer, again and again and again and again. Why the hell didn't he take it to the Fomor? It's the Red Court all over again. Harry casually starts a war, the White Council bleeds for it, the Red Court goes after Harry personally and he annihilates them. From a distance, that's what it looks like- Harry's been holding back.
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Harry didn't start this war, casually or otherwise. Though I think it is pretty clear that the Fomor are a cat's paw of the Outsiders, which puts Harry smack in the middle of it. Yeah, the White Council is going to bleed, but so is everyone.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 30, 2020, 07:16:05 PM ---Yes, but at this point anyway I don't think Harry or Lara want it.
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Oh sure. Presumably some other circumstance will start the conflict (like Mab orders Harry to do some kind of "double agent" thing like working with Nicodemus in SG, and it looks to the Council like Harry has gone full-on Black Council).
--- Quote ---Harry didn't start this war, casually or otherwise.
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In the big picture, you're right, but it looks like a consequence of Harry's destruction of the Red Court. (Though probably the Fomor could also have benefited from the RC destroying the Council or from the war grinding both down.)
Mira:
--- Quote ---In the big picture, you're right, but it looks like a consequence of Harry's destruction of the Red Court. (Though probably the Fomor could also have benefited from the RC destroying the Council or from the war grinding both down.)
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Like the events at the party in Grave Peril began the war with the Red Court before they were ready as Shiro pointed out. Because the Red King wanted revenge he tried a risky spell that Harry hoisted him by his own petard on.. Then it turns out that the Red Court were really a cat's paw for the Fomor who are really a cat's paw for the Outsiders.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 30, 2020, 07:16:05 PM ---Yes, but at this point anyway I don't think Harry or Lara want it.
Harry didn't start this war, casually or otherwise. Though I think it is pretty clear that the Fomor are a cat's paw of the Outsiders, which puts Harry smack in the middle of it. Yeah, the White Council is going to bleed, but so is everyone.
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That has nothing to do with my point. To make it explicit: Harry has so much ka-BOOM he could have made a massive difference a long time ago- to those outside who don't know better.
If you don't know about the ritual the Red Court themselves prepped, you're just a line Warden or wizard living in fear during the war, and this one guy just comes in after years of warfare and ends it- where the heck was he the entire time?
His then doing the same to Ethniu/the Formor makes it look like he doesn't care how many shanks the White Council eats. If one chooses to view it so.
Makes it look like he doesn't care enough to throw down for the Council
Rigil Kent:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on September 30, 2020, 06:56:43 PM ---Every conversation Harry has with Carlos after he's injured reads very differently if you read it where Carlos assumes Harry knows what happened with Molly.
They don't have a conversation where Harry doesn't threaten him with Molly, as I recall- I thought it heavy-handed. It's always at that point that Carlos twitches.
Harry is assuming that Carlos is such a straight-arrow that he'd feel obligated to report everything- so anything he tells Carlos isn't necessarily confidential.
Carlos assumes Harry knows about Molly, and is always threatening him casually. Also, from a Warden perspective- and Harry has been a Warden until being kicked out this book!- how rough has the war with the Fomor been? And Harry casually raises an army of Little Folk, brings in Bigfoot as backup, slaps Drakul a bit, mashes a couple of Eldar black court vampires, and finally brings down Ethniu.
Harry admires how Carlos can throw such low-energy punches endlessly, because Harry's swing-for-the-fences approach is exhausting. Now see it from Carlos's perspective: Harry can punch like Ebenezer, again and again and again and again. Why the hell didn't he take it to the Fomor? It's the Red Court all over again. Harry casually starts a war, the White Council bleeds for it, the Red Court goes after Harry personally and he annihilates them. From a distance, that's what it looks like- Harry's been holding back.
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This is beautifully phrased. It totally makes both sides understandable...
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