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Did Ebeneezer use Mind Magic to make Thomas try the hit?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 25, 2020, 07:12:10 PM ---I think there is some woj that Harry and Michael actually did soul gaze.
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I remember that vaguely as well, but I wasn't sure. So who's judgement do we trust here? Eb
who did a soul gaze with the angry teenage Harry? Or Michael who did one sometime later and thinks Harry will do fine as a father?
--- Quote ---If the corner hounds show up when someone time-travels, and the Blackstaff can break any of the Laws with immunity, then there may have been two Ebs running around. He's particularly insistent on finding out that Eitri is nearby, and also making sure that everyone is a) Paying attention to him and not other places, and b) Noticing that he's nowhere near Thomas.
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As Outsiders they are called up by mortals, that is mentioned in Peace Talks as the fight is happening and it is also a factor in Blood Rites when Madge and friends called up HWWB.
--- Quote ---So, extend it a step: The Eb we see is possibly a time traveled Eb, or there is one outside whammying Thomas when this one is talking to Harry. When did he go back? Right after he and Harry confront each other outside Justine's. It's even perfect timing- he has a starborn to cover the cornerhounds for him.
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I think that is making things a little too complicated, even for Jim.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 25, 2020, 08:11:07 PM ---I remember that vaguely as well, but I wasn't sure. So who's judgement do we trust here? Eb
who did a soul gaze with the angry teenage Harry? Or Michael who did one sometime later and thinks Harry will do fine as a father?
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it is not about Harry’s qualities as a father. It is about safety and how to best protect the child.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 25, 2020, 08:27:43 PM ---it is not about Harry’s qualities as a father. It is about safety and how to best protect the child.
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Not saying safety isn't important, but it doesn't mean much if she doesn't have a loving parent. I can think of a lot of important people who's children are vulnerable to a degree because of who their parents are. Yet their kids aren't taken away from them. Harry was right, Susan kept little Maggie away from him, didn't even tell him she existed, kept them away from herself, yet Maggie's foster parents were murdered before her eyes and the Red King nearly slit her throat. If safety and protection were so great, how come things didn't turn out well for Margaret? Harry is scared for life because after Malcolm died, he may have been safe, but he wasn't loved.
A kid needs love, with love comes security, the rest can be handled one way or another. Michael agrees with that, he wouldn't have agreed to turn Maggie over to Harry if he thought she'd come to harm.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 25, 2020, 08:37:51 PM --- Not saying safety isn't important, but it doesn't mean much if she doesn't have a loving parent. I can think of a lot of important people who's children are vulnerable to a degree because of who their parents are. Yet their kids aren't taken away from them. Harry was right, Susan kept little Maggie away from him, didn't even tell him she existed, kept them away from herself, yet Maggie's foster parents were murdered before her eyes and the Red King nearly slit her throat. If safety and protection were so great, how come things didn't turn out well for Margaret? Harry is scared for life because after Malcolm died, he may have been safe, but he wasn't loved.
A kid needs love, with love comes security, the rest can be handled one way or another. Michael agrees with that, he wouldn't have agreed to turn Maggie over to Harry if he thought she'd come to harm.
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But that was not the point. The point was that Ebenezer's policy to hide children from everyone was not based on parental qualities so any soul gaze was irrelevant. Harry could be the best father in the world and Ebenezar would not think any different about it.
Michael and Harry do think giving Maggie good and real parents is worth the risk, Ebenezer does not.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 25, 2020, 09:14:40 PM ---But that was not the point. The point was that Ebenezer's policy to hide children from everyone was not based on parental qualities so any soul gaze was irrelevant. Harry could be the best father in the world and Ebenezar would not think any different about it.
Michael and Harry do thing giving Maggie good and real parents is worth the risk, Ebenezer does not.
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Yes, that is what I am saying and what Harry and Michael are saying has merit. Now is Eb saying this because he really believe it? Or is it his way to justify how both his grandson and his daughter's life were messed up because he wasn't in their lives when they needed a father and a grandfather?
It rings true from my experience, I was married to a man for forty years who was shipped off to another state along with his brothers and sister after his mother died because living with his maiden aunt in a small town was considered more wholesome than Chicago. Harry sounds a lot like my husband did on the subject, just a bit bitter. And guess what? His father sounded a whole lot like Eb.. Know what else? They never were able to resolve it. So it will be interesting to see how the fantasy works out if Eb survives the coming battle.
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