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The Placard
Mira:
--- Quote from: bigdangmoose on September 23, 2020, 11:17:51 AM ---His daughter, the one in the skull, is also the daughter of a fallen angel and has all her knowledge, just not the experience to effectively use it. Harry easily could have gotten the information from her.
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Perhaps, but Bonea's ability to call up knowledge at the moment is fragmented at best. She has 150 recipes for pancakes but thinks milk is alive because it sloshes around in it's container, she is still very young. Harry did say he was going to study them at the end of Skin Game when Michael handed him back his Sword. Now it is possible that with Butters' permission he consulted with Bob. However if that wasn't screen out or on Demonreach or at Michael's place, Nic would have found out.
Uriel may also have told him about them. Since the mission to retrieve them was so important that he loaned his Grace to Michael so it would be successful, he may also have told Harry what and how they were to be used.
Yuillegan:
Harry wouldn't exploit his daughter like that, assuming even she could explain it in terms Dresden would understand or even understand his questions.
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 23, 2020, 08:24:50 AM ---Harry said specifically he was going to study the history of the artifacts in SG, can't show everything on screen... Especially when such things could take months to gleam info about.
I like that he threw that explanation in though, it shows both that Sin was a comparable force of the universe, and that TWC did indeed save us all from it.
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Yes, you can't show everything but considering how important it is it's worth explaining how he came into that knowledge. It would be like Harry Potter understanding how to use wands a scene after being given one.
That scene doesn't "show" anything though; it doesn't quantify sin or even suggest that it is real beyond the metaphorical concept. Harry isn't even sure that the use is the same. And it certainly doesn't show that Christ saved anyone. It implies what he might have used the Placard for... although there is no indication that it was anything other than a normal placard when it was used on Jesus. If anything, the constant implication is that Christ made those objects special.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on September 23, 2020, 12:48:34 PM ---Harry wouldn't exploit his daughter like that, assuming even she could explain it in terms Dresden would understand or even understand his questions.
Yes, you can't show everything but considering how important it is it's worth explaining how he came into that knowledge. It would be like Harry Potter understanding how to use wands a scene after being given one.
That scene doesn't "show" anything though; it doesn't quantify sin or even suggest that it is real beyond the metaphorical concept. Harry isn't even sure that the use is the same. And it certainly doesn't show that Christ saved anyone. It implies what he might have used the Placard for... although there is no indication that it was anything other than a normal placard when it was used on Jesus. If anything, the constant implication is that Christ made those objects special.
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He does have an understanding though, it isn't like he thought it could be used for mass propaganda for example. Though one can argue that was part of the reason why the Roman's hung the sign over Christ's head to begin with in at least three languages. They were saying if you want to claim that you are King of the Jews, this is what is going to happen to you. But even if Harry doesn't fully understand, clearly Mac understands perfectly how it works. Harry didn't have to tell him to put a smear of his blood on the back of it for example.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on September 23, 2020, 12:48:34 PM ---That scene doesn't "show" anything though; it doesn't quantify sin or even suggest that it is real beyond the metaphorical concept. Harry isn't even sure that the use is the same. And it certainly doesn't show that Christ saved anyone. It implies what he might have used the Placard for... although there is no indication that it was anything other than a normal placard when it was used on Jesus. If anything, the constant implication is that Christ made those objects special.
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yes, it DOES. Harry specifies information, tells exactly what it does, and then gives an example of what it's been used for. There is no indication that Harry isn't Doylistly supplying information for the audience... Something done literally all the time. And you couldn't use the placard in such a way, if sin WASN'T a quantifiable force. Pls don't confuse irl prejudice against christianity to mean you have to argue against fictional christianity...
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 23, 2020, 05:47:39 PM ---yes, it DOES. Harry specifies information, tells exactly what it does, and then gives an example of what it's been used for. There is no indication that Harry isn't Doylistly supplying information for the audience... Something done literally all the time. And you couldn't use the placard in such a way, if sin WASN'T a quantifiable force. Pls don't confuse irl prejudice against christianity to mean you have to argue against fictional christianity...
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However no one asked Harry how he knows all of this, though Murphy wanted to know what it was and where he got it. Harry did tell Michael he'd research the artifacts. Michael seemed to know a great deal about the Grail, but Harry gave that to Nic. I think all Harry had to do was ask Bob, more likely Uriel, and he'd have all the information he needed.
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