The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The Placard
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 25, 2020, 03:44:16 PM ---Getting wound up about these things is what we do ;D
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Indeed... ;)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 25, 2020, 03:49:27 PM ---Harry has the following sources of information
Bob
Bonea
Demonreach
Uriel
Mab
He has certainly spoken with Alfred about them, he has had the opportunity to talk to Uriel about them, as he spoke to Uriel about setting up his family ghost arrangement for Maggie. Bob is likely to know in general what it is even if it is on a different wavelength, Bonea would know about it but it might be difficult to get her to speak about it in relatable terms, Mab would know as she tasked him to get it.
Harry therefore knew. What is amazing is Harry actually asked it.
We might get wound up, but twice a day we go cuckoo
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Both Mab and Uriel would prefer Harry to learn about the artifacts by studying them. At most they might give some cryptic clues to make him study more.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 25, 2020, 05:35:16 PM ---Both Mab and Uriel would prefer Harry to learn about the artifacts by studying them. At most they might give some cryptic clues to make him study more.
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Yeah, there is a lot of, " I know, but I ain't going to tell you.." The general consensuses
is, Harry has to get off his lazy butt and apply himself more, it is also a way for Jim to drag out
the series a bit more. ::)
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on September 25, 2020, 12:34:43 PM ---I'm aware of those possibilities.
But that doesn't explain how Harry knows mechanics that afaik are Jim's creations i.e. how the Placard can be used. There is no tradition I am aware of that says the Placard can be used to create a super-threshold. So naturally, this is Jim's invention. Harry is aware of this but no other character apart from Mac seemed to be. But how would Harry have come by such information?
I have not once said that Christ didn't die for anyone's sins in either our universe or any other. That's not what this discussion is about. I questioned how that scene showed Sin as a quantifiable force and how the scene showed that Christ died for the sins of humanity in the Dresden Files. Because the scene in question doesn't show either of those things.
And for merely asking I have had my beliefs speculated on and been attacked personally. Which is inappropriate.
This discussion has gone off the rails. Clearly it's too much to ask to get everyone to answer the central question in the OP i.e. How does DRESDEN know how the Placard works and how to employ it when there is no in-text exposition or explanation and no real world common knowledge to support these apparent epiphanies? How does Harry even know about the concept of 'embodied intercession'? These are serious writing plot holes
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He learned offscreen.
Personally, given Demonreach, I wasn't surprised. Demonreach is a prison. Not an armory, not a fortress, but a prison- specifically, a suspended animation-style prison.
For Alfred to hold the beings Alfred holds, Alfred needs to be able to counter their abilities. For Alfred to know their abilities, Alfred has to have some kind of scanning ability to assess new arrivals. Given Alfred has scanning abilities and exists to store things, I just assumed that the "armory" was one of the crystal cells, where the name placard reads "Cool stuff." So Alfred would have scanned them, like anything else, on the way in.
That was my assumption reading, Harry's got other paths to the knowledge.
Mira:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on September 25, 2020, 07:26:35 PM ---He learned offscreen.
Personally, given Demonreach, I wasn't surprised. Demonreach is a prison. Not an armory, not a fortress, but a prison- specifically, a suspended animation-style prison.
For Alfred to hold the beings Alfred holds, Alfred needs to be able to counter their abilities. For Alfred to know their abilities, Alfred has to have some kind of scanning ability to assess new arrivals. Given Alfred has scanning abilities and exists to store things, I just assumed that the "armory" was one of the crystal cells, where the name placard reads "Cool stuff." So Alfred would have scanned them, like anything else, on the way in.
That was my assumption reading, Harry's got other paths to the knowledge.
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I agree that he did learn off screen, however Harry says, "pretty sure," as far as the spear/knife goes. That implies a tiny bit of doubt, but I think that is a little bit of selfish wishful thinking, because he is afraid of what using it will do to him.
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