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Rudolph's evidence doesn't make sense
spiritofair:
I think all of this is easily explained by the idea that Rudy's evidence doesn't have to make sense. Rudy isn't operating on the up and up. He's got a vendetta against Harry. Why? Money. His house is way too nice, clearly someone has been paying him under the table.
I think Rudy being in the pocket of the Black Council all along, not necessarily the Red Court. If the Red Court were his direct handler (the Eebs... remember, they are possibly not dead...), then either the Eebs could still be working him OR it could be whoever was directing the Red Court at the White Council, which is, I believe, the Black Council. Cowl. Or someone working with Cowl. Hell, Cowl could have bargained for the lives of the Eebs and gotten them out of the Erlking's court.
Come to think of it, why didn't Harry ask the Erlking about the Eebs when he met the Erlking in Cold Days? He didn't have a ton of time, sure, but no reference at all to the last time he saw the Erlking being a rumble? None at all? Probably because Jim didn't want us to know what happened to them.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 21, 2020, 08:11:35 PM ---Then there would be a homicide investigation carried out by homicide investigators since Murphy hasn't been on the police force for years now, and Harry the same, they are private citizens. It shouldn't be Internal Affairs.
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Yeah, but that doesn't have much to do with my point of how there is an investigation when there's a known crime. The point of an investigation is to find evidence, so it shouldn't be surprising that Rudy doesn't have all the evidence he needs to get an arrest warrant.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 22, 2020, 02:23:04 AM ---I thought the Ick ate his face.
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No. He was with Murphy and Tilly last we heard from him in Changes.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on September 22, 2020, 08:15:56 AM ---Not that the cops tried to put the hard word on them with minimal evidence (all of which was circumstantial), but that both Murphy and Harry didn't call them out on it.
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Most evidence is circumstantial. The unbelievable part is how bad Murphy and Harry are at dealing with being the subject of a criminal investigation, one in which they are actually guilty of numerous crimes. Don't talk to the cops is a pretty good rule of thumb. It's not even a bad idea if you're innocent. It's a really good idea if you're guilty.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 21, 2020, 05:47:49 PM ---You forget there is a record of Harvey’s retinal scam at the bank, which pushes the time line waaay back. Marcone isn’t cooperating, no evidence from the Bank at all. HIS CPD made everything disappear, his clients are aware the Nicky the perpetrator, got handed his ass by Marcone.
Rudy has been pointed at “what happened on this day involving Harry Dresden” and he has skimmed public resources, receiving contradictory results. Harvey had a secretary out to lunch, and I bet she said Harvey was in the office all afternoon when Harry was clearly elsewhere, alibiing Harvey. Someone has promised Rudy a big payout if he gets the goods on Harry and he is reaching.
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You are right. That actually helps Harry. Nic's plan took three days to carry out. Harvey's murder took place on the second day and the vault job and the retina scan happened on day three, which makes the photo of Harry taken on day two even less valuable.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 22, 2020, 09:20:18 PM ---Yeah, but that doesn't have much to do with my point of how there is an investigation when there's a known crime. The point of an investigation is to find evidence, so it shouldn't be surprising that Rudy doesn't have all the evidence he needs to get an arrest warrant.
No. He was with Murphy and Tilly last we heard from him in Changes.
Most evidence is circumstantial. The unbelievable part is how bad Murphy and Harry are at dealing with being the subject of a criminal investigation, one in which they are actually guilty of numerous crimes. Don't talk to the cops is a pretty good rule of thumb. It's not even a bad idea if you're innocent. It's a really good idea if you're guilty.
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Yes, I have an uncle who is a retired judge who once told me to never talk to the police if I thought there was the slightest chance I could be a suspect. He added that, "If you witnessed someone running out of a bank with a gun in one hand and a bag full of money in the other hand, that would be different; but even then you need to careful, don't say too much. Just say what you saw and nothing more."
I once watched one of those true crime shows about an investigation of a police officer for murder and several other related crimes. Of course with these reality TV shows you never really know how much you are seeing is so much hot air, but the investigator in that case said, "You would think that a police officer who committed a crime would be one of the toughest subjects to trip up and get useful information out of, but often it's just the opposite. Knowing how to question a subject can give the person who is being questioned a false sense of security that they know the game, so they become overconfident and trip themselves up. Plus, because a police officer or former officer knows how the system works it can sometimes be easier to make it appear that walls are closing in around them, that it's time to come clean."
I also thought Karin's attitude towards Harry when he said, "What should we do?" to be out of line. I don't remember her exact words but it was something like, "What are we, Bond villain's in Rudolph's detective fantasy?" Harry and Karin have both figured out that someone is targeting them and this individual or faction probably won't have any compunctions about creating false evidence to frame them. Harry knows people and not people who could literally make evidence disappear. That should be a reasonable back up plan for both of them to consider.
KurtinStGeorge:
Rudolph's arc; if that's what we can call it, doesn't make much sense at this point. For example, with Marcone, even if we don't know his back story it's plenty to know that he chose a life of crime and has risen to the top of his profession. Everything he does fits in with a crime lord's quest for power and riches, even if we find that Marcone is a much more complex person than average thug killer who runs a crime family.
In Fool Moon Rudolph was a useless coward. In Grave Peril he threatened to kill Harry if Harry let anything bad happen to Murphy. Did Rudy have a thing for his boss back then and Karin rejected him? Who knows. I don't think we saw Rudolph again until Changes when he turned into an abject coward again. Maybe there's a cool way to make Rudy's changes in attitude make sense and make Rudolph's vendetta seem like a natural progression of events but right now it's somewhat messy and doesn't feel right, at least to me.
(By the way; according to Jim's new definition of what it means to be a tough guy, just as Butters is tough and dangerous because he threatened to knock Harry's teeth out if Harry made fun of the three way relationship Butters now finds himself in, Rudolph must also be; or at one time was, a tough and dangerous person because he threatened Harry in a convincing manner. What nonsense. As someone who has known two or three really dangerous people, the most dangerous people don't threaten, they just act. Your best defense; aside from a loaded weapon, is to able to read their moods and body language so you can get the hell out of their way when it looks like they're about to go off. Of course, even better is to avoid them all together.)
Yuillegan:
Agreed, in my forces days you learn the people who are really dangerous are the loose cannons. The thing that makes them dangerous is unpredictability. They might just fly off the handle because they get looked at the wrong way. But really they'll get you and everyone else killed because they will do something rash. Which isn't to say people who are more controlled are not dangerous. Plenty of those around. But they are generally more predictable and therefore easier to manage. Of course, smart and controlled people...that's when you need to start watching yourself as if they can outthink you then they are just as unpredictable as the loose cannons.
In my reading, Rudolph is only mildly dangerous. Mostly because of his tendency to do stupid things under pressure. Harry is more of a danger to himself in a confrontation with the law because of his fairly irrational belief in the institution (considering he is a Wizard in a supernatural world). If he bothered to fight his way out of being arrested for example (like he would against a supernatural threat), he would be likely be fine.
The reintroduction of Rudolph is all about whoever is wielding him/the law as a weapon against Harry and Jim needed/wanted a familiar face.
Also: does anyone notice that nearly every character under 6ft who is dangerous and male is built like a body builder? Will, the new cop Bradley (?), Jack Murphy etc
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