The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
We Now Know What/Who Mac Is
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 17, 2020, 02:14:18 AM ---If Murphy was coming over in the morning Harry wouldn't have been so depressed.
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He might be if some combination of Ebeneezer, the Alphas, Mac, Ivy, a bunch of innocent bystanders, Sanya, Butters, Mort, his warden friends, etc. died, and his brother was pretty close to the functional equivalent of dead, which he is. Your just assuming the only way he'll be depressed is if Murphy died. I disagree. Murphy's death is a sufficient, but not necessary, cause of Harry being depressed. Therefore, Murphy not being there isn't evidence that she isn't coming over or is dead. You're saying the fact that Murphy isn't there supports the statement that Michael and Charity wouldn't object to Harry's girlfriend sleeping over because the only reason she wouldn't be is because she's dead. You're saying that to support the proposition that if Murphy isn't there it's because she's dead.
You assert four premises and a conclusion.
Premise 1: Michael and Charity wouldn't object to Murphy spending the night sending the message that premarital relations are okay.
Premise 2: Murphy would be there if she were alive.
Premise 3: Harry would only be depressed if Murphy died.
Premise 4: Murphy isn't there.
Conclusion: Murphy's dead.
I reject premises 1, 2, and 3. Premise 3 is nonsense. Premise 2 has no support beyond wild conjecture. It would require Murphy not wanting to stay at her home, her not wanting to spend Christmas morning with her family, and Murphy wanting to be there for Harry and Maggie's first Christmas together all to be true. Premise 1 depends on the house being having extra room and Micheal and Charity to be okay with a boyfriend and girlfriend sleeping under the same roof when there isn't much of a reason for it. I agree with premise 4 because I reject premise 1, but we don't have definitive evidence that she isn't there.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 17, 2020, 02:14:18 AM ---Also it is a large house, at least two of the kids have left home.
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I addressed that point.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 17, 2020, 12:05:33 AM ---Additionally, they might have a full house already with all the kids back for Christmas. Especially if any of the older kids have gotten married.
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--- Quote from: Mira on September 17, 2020, 02:14:18 AM ---Even if all the bedrooms are full, there still is Charity's sewing room where they used to put Harry when he was injured, the floor, or a sofa.
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You mean the room Maggie's likely to be sleeping in?
Conspiracy Theorist:
Perhaps Harry works out that Eb killed Malcolm to get him away from him and disappeared him into the foster system “for his own good” AND arranged for Justin to retrieve him, not realising Justin had his own agenda.
With Christmas and his last fading memories of his father, that would do it, and why Kringle’s gift worked when nothing else did, it brought back to Harry a piece of his father, just when he needed it.
As Eb said it’s always the person you don’t expect who betrays you. He might have known what he was talking about.
Mira:
--- Quote ---He might be if some combination of Ebeneezer, the Alphas, Mac, Ivy, a bunch of innocent bystanders, Sanya, Butters, Mort, his warden friends, etc. died, and his brother was pretty close to the functional equivalent of dead, which he is. Your just assuming the only way he'll be depressed is if Murphy died. I disagree. Murphy's death is a sufficient, but not necessary, cause of Harry being depressed. Therefore, Murphy not being there isn't evidence that she isn't coming over or is dead. You're saying the fact that Murphy isn't there supports the statement that Michael and Charity wouldn't object to Harry's girlfriend sleeping over because the only reason she wouldn't be is because she's dead. You're saying that to support the proposition that if Murphy isn't there it's because she's dead.
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No, Harry is an adult, so is Murphy, Michael and Charity both know that. She can spend the night and sleep somewhere else, as I said, it is a big house, she doesn't have to sleep with Harry if the implications of that bothered Charity and Michael morally... But she isn't there, Molly, Kringle, hell even Mab are bending over backwards to be nice to him. Not just because he is the hero, but because of what he has lost, his grief, perhaps he'd feel that bad over Thomas and Eb, but all the more reason for Murphy to be there. So yeah, I can think of two reasons why she wouldn't be there with him on Christmas Eve, well, maybe three. She was so pissed because she felt Harry was over protective of her she broke up with him.. The second reason is she is still in the hospital even more broken up than before.. But if that were true going to visit her the next day in the hospital might have been mentioned.. It wasn't. Or she is dead.
--- Quote ---I reject premises 1, 2, and 3. Premise 3 is nonsense. Premise 2 has no support beyond wild conjecture. It would require Murphy not wanting to stay at her home, her not wanting to spend Christmas morning with her family, and Murphy wanting to be there for Harry and Maggie's first Christmas together all to be true. Premise 1 depends on the house being having extra room and Micheal and Charity to be okay with a boyfriend and girlfriend sleeping under the same roof when there isn't much of a reason for it. I agree with premise 4 because I reject premise 1, but we don't have definitive evidence that she isn't there.
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Murphy isn't so close with her family that she'd rather spend it with them than with her one true love. In fact, if she was alive and spending Christmas with her family was so important, her true love and his kid would be with her, with them. Not at Michael's place.
--- Quote --- Also it is a large house, at least two of the kids have left home.
I addressed that point.
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You tried and I blew it out of the water.
--- Quote --- Even if all the bedrooms are full, there still is Charity's sewing room where they used to put Harry when he was injured, the floor, or a sofa.
You mean the room Maggie's likely to be sleeping in?
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Your point?? Is there a problem with Maggie sharing a room with Murphy for the night??
--- Quote ---Perhaps Harry works out that Eb killed Malcolm to get him away from him and disappeared him into the foster system “for his own good” AND arranged for Justin to retrieve him, not realising Justin had his own agenda.
With Christmas and his last fading memories of his father, that would do it, and why Kringle’s gift worked when nothing else did, it brought back to Harry a piece of his father, just when he needed it.
As Eb said it’s always the person you don’t expect who betrays you. He might have known what he was talking about.
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I don't buy that for an instant.. For starters Eb said that Malcolm had as good a soul as he'd ever seen. I doubt he murder someone like that. Also Malcolm had no magical powers what so ever, he was raising little Harry like any other non-talented kid, just like Eb claimed he liked.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Malcolm couldn’t protect Harry, it didn’t matter that Eb liked him, and he made sure he died in a peaceful way.
Con:
I think the Angel's "Don't hurt yourself"is more than just courtesy of humans not being able to handle an Angels presence with Third Site, I think it's just literally they don't want a stranger to view them that intimately
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