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Now THAT's what I call a Sample Chapter!
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 16, 2020, 07:11:42 PM ---At that time the white court was still at least nominally a red court ally and Winter was more or less helping the white council.
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I know. But look at what happened to the Reds.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 16, 2020, 12:15:27 PM ---Even if she knew it was an illusion. The idea might be enough to get angry.
Molly is not that jealous otherwise her interactions with Murphy would have been far more explosive. She might be a bit protective.
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Even if she knows it was an illusion, the fact that everyone else who didn't now thinks that Lara has Winter's consort and champion wrapped around her little finger ... quite aside from any lingering personal feelings for Harry, Molly is also going to be pissed that Lara has everyone who's anyone in the community thinking she put one over on her and Mab.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 16, 2020, 11:48:15 PM ---Ah, but for Harry to release Thomas, he has to survive. Mab can’t release Thomas, she is very, very wary of Demonreach, more than she is of Ethnui. She asks Mab outright to release Thomas, Mab will tell her she can’t, not sure though Mab can heal Karen, Lea healed Harry in Grave Peril instantly, but Mab didn’t heal Harry from the bullet wound, he had to heal and recovery naturally, but maybe Bonny prevented that, or Demonreach did, or Mab’s own nature.
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No, but if Lara did demand it as a favor it would put both Mab and Harry between a rock and a hard place. Depending on the politics and guilt of Thomas, releasing Thomas may blow the Accords apart.
Also if Thomas was guilty, would Alfred obey Harry?
--- Quote ---Lara owes a favor to Murphy from BR.
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She may, but she doesn't live under the same rules as the Winter Court Fae, so she may not feel obligated to help Murphy. She does however want her brother to go free, so if she is going to spend that last favor on anyone it will be on Thomas, not Murphy.
--- Quote ---I don't see Lara using the favor owed her by Mab to help Murphy unless she can use it to get something from Harry. Something like, "I can fix the damage to Ms. Murphy, Sir Knight, but you will owe me a favor in return."
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Except Harry is in no position to bargain. If Lara wants to call in her last favor from the Winter Court all she has to do is ask for it.
--- Quote ---Harry owes a favor to Vadderung or perhaps he was in his Kringle identity. Offhand I don't remember, but a favor is owed.
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But that has nothing to do with the favor the Winter Court owes Lara. Nor am I sure Kringle operates under the same laws that govern the Fae Courts as far as favors owed.
--- Quote ---Harry owes a favor to Molly.
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That he does as governed by Winter Court Fae rules..
--- Quote ---Harry still owes Bob a new backup vessel / skull, to hide in, seeing as Bonea took over the one Harry made on Demonreach.
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Perhaps, but if I remember correctly the wooden skull that Bonea now uses is pretty crude by Harry's own description. I bet with a little guidance from Bob, Butters could come up with a much nicer one.
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Am I missing anybody? I like the idea of Harry owing a favor to Lara, but I don't see the scenario of Lara healing Murphy to acquire that favor as something that is likely to occur.
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I don't either, Lara only need ask and Harry is duty bound under Mab's orders to comply. As I said, not likely she'd put Murphy ahead of Thomas.. Harry loves both, but that makes no difference either, he has to obey whatever Lara requests.. Just as he was worried in chapter three of Battleground that Lara would demand that he go with her as payment for the favor. Molly helped him slide out of that.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 17, 2020, 02:06:42 AM ---No, but if Lara did demand it as a favor it would put both Mab and Harry between a rock and a hard place. Depending on the politics and guilt of Thomas, releasing Thomas may blow the Accords apart.
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I don't think the Svartalves are that important of a nation, really. Rescuing Thomas during the talks was a potential disaster because if it had become known, Mab's representative was breaking the rules at a major diplomatic meeting for Mab's Accords.
Now that that's a "fait accompli" I think the political picture is different.
The larger problem is that if Thomas was just released from Demonreach now, he'd die. There needs to be a solution for the whole "Hunger eating him" aspect first.
--- Quote ---Also if Thomas was guilty, would Alfred obey Harry?
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Yes. As Alfred says, "YOU ARE THE WARDEN". Harry could release all kinds of things.
That's why it's such a big deal among those few people who know about it... the Warden of Demonreach could basically cause a PT/BG level disaster any time he felt like it by releasing some horrible monster or ancient titan.
Which is one reason I think the 'kicking Harry out of the Council' bit is a ploy. We know he'd never do it, at least short of a Changes-level situation, but the people on the Senior Council who still think Harry is a potential ticking time bomb... given the binding power of oaths, he could just extract an oath from some titan to kill all his enemies on the Council and then release it.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 17, 2020, 12:10:07 AM ---Lara owes a favor to Murphy from BR.
Harry owes a favor to Vadderung, not Kringle.
Harry gave the vessel to Bob. What Bob/Butters did with it doesn't effect the deal.
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Forgot about the BR favour, that plays nicely into the scenario.
Bob can still use the back up with Bonea in residence
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