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Do the Wardens have any 'heavy hitters' left? [Some PT Spoilers]
vultur:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 10, 2020, 12:49:34 AM ---Luccio is still far more formidable than Harry by virtue of precision,
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I don't think so... at least not more formidable in general.
In certain situations, absolutely she'd have an advantage - like having to fight in close quarters with innocent bystanders without gear to focus her spells (like Harry with the octokongs at the beginning of SG).
But in a more open fight, which was what I was thinking of in terms of "heavy hitters", I think current-era Harry's power advantage is too large for Luccio's skill advantage to cancel out.
If we were comparing pure basic wizard abilities, no Winter or Soulfire, that would probably be different.
--- Quote ---and she's had years since her last appearance to recover.
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It's been years, yeah, but do we know if recovery is possible? (Or rather, more than she's already shown in SmF/TC, which are already a couple years after DB.)
If her new body just doesn't have the power capability of her old one (and I don't think that grad student was a wizard) she might have hit an upper limit.
--- Quote ---And there are still the veterans who were escorting Mai in TC, unless they've been KIA skirmishing with the Fomor since Harry has been incommunicado.
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Oh sure. I am sure there are mid-list types still out there, but I doubt they are competitive with Luccio, Morgan, or current-era Harry.
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 10, 2020, 01:13:22 AM ---The "heavy hitters" were the Brute Squad -- the ones that were killed at Archangelsk offscreen before Summer Knight.
I'd say no, there aren't any heavy hitters among the wardens whose names we know, outside of Chandler and Harry
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Brute squad, good point. The Wardens really have been hit hard.
I'm not sure Chandler is really a "heavy hitter" in the sense I'm talking about, though he's important and not a "new-generation" Warden. He does time stuff and divination I think; probably he's intelligence, not front-line combat.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 10, 2020, 05:01:23 AM ---Can Eb be considered a Warden? He was heading up the security and seemed to be in charge of them. He is a very heavy hitter.
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Eb's absolutely a heavy hitter, but I don't think he's a Warden anymore.
Though he apparently was one in the 19th century, I believe there's a reference to McCoy the Captain of the Wardens in "Fistful of Warlocks".
Mira:
--- Quote ---Eb's absolutely a heavy hitter, but I don't think he's a Warden anymore.
Though he apparently was one in the 19th century, I believe there's a reference to McCoy the Captain of the Wardens in "Fistful of Warlocks".
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Maybe once a Warden always a Warden? Have to go back and reread a "Fistful of Warlocks,"
I don't remember that little fun fact, I guess because I didn't find that short story all that great. However Eb seemed to be functioning as the Warden Captain for the talks, more so than Carlos.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: vultur on September 10, 2020, 05:04:34 AM ---I don't think so... at least not more formidable in general.
In certain situations, absolutely she'd have an advantage - like having to fight in close quarters with innocent bystanders without gear to focus her spells (like Harry with the octokongs at the beginning of SG).
But in a more open fight, which was what I was thinking of in terms of "heavy hitters", I think current-era Harry's power advantage is too large for Luccio's skill advantage to cancel out.
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I doubt it. We've seen what other Wizards can do in the series, and it's pretty clear that Harry... to be blunt, he sucks ass at Wizarding.
Luccio was already a better fighter then him in the goddamn frontier days, and she's has a lot of time to practice since then.
Molly, his half-baked Apprentice, notes that he's not as good as she is at Tracking Spells, one of the things that Harry considers himself good at.
And then there's Butters, who's doesn't even have the ability to use magic- and somehow, is still better at being a Wizard then Harry. Jim has always been an advocate of skill>power, it's why Murphy can defeat people three times her size with supernatural powers.
Sure Harry is a walking artillery cannon, but most decent Wizards would wreck him, and Luccio's had a fair amount of time to adjust to her new body since we last saw her, so she's probably not as crippled as she once was.
kel0700:
Harry is one of the most dangerous combat wizards on the council, that was confirmed by eb in changes and Harry's powered up since then. There is still about 40 of the old guard Wardens left, they are all over a century old and Harry says he wouldn't like to fight with any of them. I think they're led by thorsen, he was mentioned by the merlin in turn coat, Harry refers to him has the big swede, my guess is thorsen has taken over Morgan roles has Co captain of the Wardens. Luccio's experience is invaluable and she's still a skilled wizard but she wouldn't last 60 seconds in a fight with Harry he's too strong for her.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I doubt it. We've seen what other Wizards can do in the series, and it's pretty clear that Harry... to be blunt, he sucks ass at Wizarding.
Luccio was already a better fighter then him in the goddamn frontier days, and she's has a lot of time to practice since then.
Molly, his half-baked Apprentice, notes that he's not as good as she is at Tracking Spells, one of the things that Harry considers himself good at.
And then there's Butters, who's doesn't even have the ability to use magic- and somehow, is still better at being a Wizard then Harry. Jim has always been an advocate of skill>power, it's why Murphy can defeat people three times her size with supernatural powers.
Sure Harry is a walking artillery cannon, but most decent Wizards would wreck him, and Luccio's had a fair amount of time to adjust to her new body since we last saw her, so she's probably not as crippled as she once was.
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1] Not totally true, yes, Harry used to knock his own skills, but once Molly became his apprentice he went back to hit the books. He can do stuff now that he never could before. And he managed to out think the Black Staff and he is a pretty decent wizard I think.
2] Molly was never half baked, now she is Winter Lady, so I wouldn't want to mess with her.
3] True for the most part about Murphy, but why is she crippled now? Because she got out thought, tricked, and then Nic beat the snot out of her.. She tends to get arrogant thinking she knows best, and he exploited that to the max.
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