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Elemental Chaos
ClintACK:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 11, 2020, 07:02:33 PM ---In DM, it was prophesied that either Harry would die, or everyone would. That's not what happened.
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Harry dying didn't *happen*, but it did become a thing that was unavoidably going to happen until Shiro invoked his once-a-lifetime-substitute-sacrifice super power to die in Harry's place.
Mira:
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 11, 2020, 08:14:55 PM ---Harry dying didn't *happen*, but it did become a thing that was unavoidably going to happen until Shiro invoked his once-a-lifetime-substitute-sacrifice super power to die in Harry's place.
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Harry still had to get the Shroud back though, if he didn't the plague would continue to grow, that was what part two of the prophesy was about that apparently even the Knights didn't realize until they found Shiro.
vultur:
I've wondered about that part of DM for a long time. How unavoidable is the curse really? Harry's wards block its effects temporarily. And it looks kind of like the entropy curse in BR.
Certainly Harry at that time couldn't deal with it long-term without Shiro dying in his place.
But could a more skilled wizard?
There must be some limit or Nic would just curse all the Archangels to die.
OK that's pretty extreme, but do you really think it would work on Mab or Titania, or even Molly or the Merlin or Eb?
ClintACK:
--- Quote from: vultur on September 11, 2020, 08:31:58 PM ---There must be some limit or Nic would just curse all the Archangels to die.
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Or the Knights. Or their families.
Yeah. I'd guess there's a complicated series of conditions -- like the fact that Harry involved himself in fighting Nic's plot, even after being warned off by everyone on both sides. Perhaps the partially-waylaid prophecy was necessary to maneuver Harry into the conditions that would make him a legitimate target of the Curse.
vultur:
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 11, 2020, 10:45:16 PM ---Or the Knights. Or their families.
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Well, I was sort of thinking that using it on the Knights might not benefit him that much since they'd be replaced. But Shiro was awesome enough that, yeah, hitting him with it would clearly have been a win for the Denarians.
But yeah, I'd think the angelic protection would have to protect the Knights' families - which means there's an upper limit on what it can do.
I'm wondering if it's actually "just" a really strong entropy curse and the idea that it's unavoidable is a product of the Knights' relatively limited knowledge base (like the idea that there's no way to get a Shadow out of your head other than accepting the Coin or giving up magic). If Harry as of DM can build wards that keep it out of his apartment, then a really skilled wizard might be able to redirect it (like Harry did with the Outsider-powered entropy curse in BR).
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