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morriswalters:
I wondered if Jim had spent too much time with Aquaman comic books?
Mira:
--- Quote from: knightedbishop on September 02, 2020, 05:00:11 PM ---To change gears, I was the most interested in Molly swooping in during chapter two. The description of her in particular: “Molly wore one of those surfer’s wet suits, with patterns of deep purple and pale green on it in the streaks and rings of a highly venomous sea snake, her mouth stretched into a madwoman’s grin. Her hair, luminous silver in the weird light, spread out around her head in an otherworldly aura.”
Her mouth stretched in a mad woman’s grin. This sounds a lot like Maeve when she was overtaken with battle lust. I worry for Molly. That lady’s mantle is an order of magnitude more complex than the knight’s. It’s changing her, and she may be too headstrong to realize. I remember Harry when he gave into the knight’s mantle in Cold Days on the island. Primitive. Wanting to hunt and screw Maeve. That’s Winter at its core: wanting to kill (Winter’s enemies) and make babies (so they can kill Winter’s enemies). Giving in to the mantle gives you a lot of raw power, but it’s easy to get lost. Is that what’s happening to Molly? If so...I hope she finally comes clean to her family, and they turn out to be a critical anchor that helps her stay her.
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Oh I think it was made very clear in Peace Talks that Molly is being changed, and it isn't like the Winter Knight mantle that perhaps can be shed some day. The Knight is mortal, the Lady's mantle makes the owner immortal. However unless it drives Molly mad for some reason, I don't think she will turn out to be like Maeve. She had problems before she ever became Lady, and over time they just got worse until Nemesis finished her off.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 02, 2020, 06:40:48 PM ---Oh I think it was made very clear in Peace Talks that Molly is being changed, and it isn't like the Winter Knight mantle that perhaps can be shed some day. The Knight is mortal, the Lady's mantle makes the owner immortal. However unless it drives Molly mad for some reason, I don't think she will turn out to be like Maeve. She had problems before she ever became Lady, and over time they just got worse until Nemesis finished her off.
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The difference is that Molly knows the winter lady is doing an important job worth doing. Her sense of duty is well developed. She is doing her job. We know that Maeve was not doing her job at all. That means that Molly as far more in sync with her mantle which probably means she won't get crazy that easily.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 02, 2020, 11:25:36 AM ---I don't think it was Ursiel though that he soul gazed, I think it was one of the ones Shiro killed.
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Well, maybe the actual Soulgaze was with Rasmussen (Ursiel's host) rather than the Fallen itself, but that was definitely Ursiel that Shiro, Michael, and Sanya killed in the alley - the 6 legged bear form.
He shows up again in SG, but with a different host.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vultur on September 02, 2020, 07:44:56 PM ---Well, maybe the actual Soulgaze was with Rasmussen (Ursiel's host) rather than the Fallen itself, but that was definitely Ursiel that Shiro, Michael, and Sanya killed in the alley - the 6 legged bear form.
He shows up again in SG, but with a different host.
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You're right, for some reason I thought he popped up later, so wasn't killed. However the point is, it was the host that he soul gazed with and that was a big factor in my opinion in his resistance of Lasciel once he realized her shadow was in his head.
We know that the Fomor kidnap kids, no doubt have always done it. The Turtlenecks according to Harry were human once and altered by the Fomor. The kracken could very well have been a human
a couple of thousand years ago, that they manipulated. So what little bit of humanity still existed, Harry was able to soul gaze. I also got the impression that he was shocked by the fact that it happened at all, because if this was just an overgrown squid, a soul gaze just wouldn't have happened no matter how long Harry looked into it's eyes.
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