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Molly's Doppelganger Ring Crafting
Yuillegan:
I'm not sure I agree with this whole 'Something is wrong with Eb' line of thinking.
The text is quite clear in that Harry just put him on a pedestal (as he does to all his heroes) and was hurt when his impossible expectations weren't met. Ebeneezer isn't Superman. He is just an angry old man who has lived longer than people are probably meant to, born and forged in a much harsher and more violent world. By Harry's standards Eb is crazy and violent. But he isn't all that bad in the grand scheme of things.
I think the whole bit about how most people aren't truly good or evil, Angels only notice the absolute etc. speaks to this. Eb isn't truly bad. He is just very, very grey. Grey Council, Grey Cloak before that.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on September 03, 2020, 01:59:15 AM ---I'm not sure I agree with this whole 'Something is wrong with Eb' line of thinking.
The text is quite clear in that Harry just put him on a pedestal (as he does to all his heroes) and was hurt when his impossible expectations weren't met. Ebeneezer isn't Superman. He is just an angry old man who has lived longer than people are probably meant to, born and forged in a much harsher and more violent world. By Harry's standards Eb is crazy and violent. But he isn't all that bad in the grand scheme of things.
I think the whole bit about how most people aren't truly good or evil, Angels only notice the absolute etc. speaks to this. Eb isn't truly bad. He is just very, very grey. Grey Council, Grey Cloak before that.
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Eb hasn't been on a pedestal as far as Harry is concerned for some time now, ever since Blood Rites when he found out that Eb was the White Council's assassin. He and Eb made peace with one another, it took a while to do it. They could work together, and things got better for a while after Harry found out that Eb was his grandfather. However make no mistake, Harry has issues that have not been resolved about his childhood and his grandfather's neglect, not just of him but apparently his mother as well. That all came out on the playground at the embassy, nothing was resolved, the anger is still there.
I'd say that when he found out part of the truth in Blood Rites Harry regarded Eb as perhaps a bit of a hypocrite. At that point in his life Harry couldn't see that someone could both be a person of integrity as he thought Eb was, and someone who had a "license to kill with magic." Eventually he learned to live with that, then he found out Eb was his grandfather. That is a good thing. However the mistake that Eb is making is now, is he thinks he can take the liberties of a grandfather, giving advice, even when not asked for. In Harry's mind, Eb hasn't earned that right, it might be a while before he does, it may never happen.
Events have moved along, Eb may have good reason to have his fears for Harry, but he is going about it the wrong way. There may not have been time to go about it any way other than the one he did, but it was destined to backfire. Or like many with dementia, Eb has lost the ability to restrain himself emotionally, that is very dangerous for someone with a license to kill with magic.
Conspiracy Theorist:
They White Council stole the Black Staff in the first place. If mortal laws apply, they have no right to it, unlike the superweapons and diamonds, the owner (Hades) permitted their removal, Harry is the legal owner. If anyone wants to dispute Hades right dispose of them to Harry, they would have to serve proceedings on Hades in his domain. Very much service out of jurisdiction. Eb would be subject to US law and The White Council subject to Scottish Law, all Mother Winter needs is a lawyer. Perhaps the creation of a new Mantle, The Winter Lawyer? But where would you find a feral lawyer to take up the Mantle? Pretty much anywhere.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 03, 2020, 11:43:54 AM ---They White Council stole the Black Staff in the first place. If mortal laws apply, they have no right to it, unlike the superweapons and diamonds, the owner (Hades) permitted their removal, Harry is the legal owner. If anyone wants to dispute Hades right dispose of them to Harry, they would have to serve proceedings on Hades in his domain. Very much service out of jurisdiction. Eb would be subject to US law and The White Council subject to Scottish Law, all Mother Winter needs is a lawyer. Perhaps the creation of a new Mantle, The Winter Lawyer? But where would you find a feral lawyer to take up the Mantle? Pretty much anywhere.
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Lot of assumptions here.
We know that she lost her walking stick, and per WoJ that was related to the Battle of Stamford Bridge.
1) Doesn't mean the Council took it themselves
2) Right of conquest can come into play there
3) This is potentially Norwegian law circa 1000 AD in play, and/or Saxon law- it was taken from Norwegians by Saxons prior to the conquering of the latter kingdom by the Normans. Good luck finding a mortal lawyer for that, or even a court system.
4) The fact Mother Winter "lost" her walking stick doesn't mean it was stolen. Lost <=> stolen.
Mira:
--- Quote ---The fact Mother Winter "lost" her walking stick doesn't mean it was stolen. Lost <=> stolen.
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Very true, she may have even given it away or loaned it.
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