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Heading into PT, review of what is known to the Council about Harry

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TheCuriousFan:

--- Quote from: ClintACK on August 17, 2020, 09:12:50 PM ---Even if we just look at the events that happen in public at the peace talks in Peace Talks, it's pretty damning, even aside from all the time he spends "smiling" at different delegations and imagining ultraviolence. (You just know he doesn't have a good poker face about any of that.)

Day One:
* On arrival, he immediately goes over to make flirty small talk with Lara Raith. (Who knows what he was overheard saying during the "happytalk illusion"...)
* Then he does her a favor, helping her to make diplomatic overtures to the Svartalves -- and vouches for her honesty
* Then he practically knocks over the buffet table freaking out and going into combat mode over River Shoulders, the kindest and gentlest person in the room
* He's conveniently missing when one of his Mistress's goons tries to date-rape-drug-mind-whammy Yoshimo
* Then he comes back and creates a huge violent scene over it (without so much as asking Yoshimo if she's alright or learning what happened)
* Then he promptly leaves again, on Lara's armDay Two:
* He has a nice heart-to-heart with Ramirez... which later turns out to have been an excuse to set him up for public humiliation
* Then he sexually assaults a valkyrie in front of Vadderung, Mab, and Lara (her employer)
* For added hypocrisy, didn't they just watch him execute someone for doing something similar?
* When Lara took Freydis away to comfort her, he pursued...
* ... and was seen having sex with Lara -- which proves he's in thrall to her (the happysex illusion) and also that he can't possibly have True Love protection (and it confirms what they suspected after he left Raith Chateau, having recently had sex)
* Then Carlos's cloak goes flying around, humiliating him and creating a panic right around the time when the fomor are arriving (is Harry working with the fomor?!!)
* Then when the fomor arrive, Harry's nowhere to be seen...
* ... because he's upstairs having sex with Lara, which Mab and Ebenezar announce to the whole world./facepalm

Even Ramirez and Chandler have to be looking at that and mourning the death of their friend Harry, and planning what to do about the monster warlock Winter Knight in thrall to the White Court.

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He spent two nights nuking his reputation and he didn't even realise. It's come clean or get kicked or earn an absolute ton of goodwill in Battle Ground.

vultur:

--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on August 18, 2020, 05:29:45 AM ---It's come clean or get kicked or earn an absolute ton of goodwill in Battle Ground.

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Yeah.

Although I do kind of wonder if the Senior Council has thought about the implications of kicking Harry out.

He'd still be Warden of Demonreach, Alfred isn't going to care about a Council vote... which means they would have just given up the only potential influence they have over the island (not that Harry is particularly good at playing along with the Council, but at least they have some potential leverage while he's a member).

Harry doesn't really need the Council any more, IMO. What's the last time he got any real help from them, officially? DB? Maybe WN?

And the thing is, his enemies in the Council are presumably those who trust him least... and it's mostly his morals that keep Harry from taking advantage of his other connections. If kicking him out of the Council just drives him closer to Mab, why is that a win?

Mira:

--- Quote from: vultur on August 20, 2020, 07:54:17 AM ---Yeah.

Although I do kind of wonder if the Senior Council has thought about the implications of kicking Harry out.

He'd still be Warden of Demonreach, Alfred isn't going to care about a Council vote... which means they would have just given up the only potential influence they have over the island (not that Harry is particularly good at playing along with the Council, but at least they have some potential leverage while he's a member).

Harry doesn't really need the Council any more, IMO. What's the last time he got any real help from them, officially? DB? Maybe WN?

And the thing is, his enemies in the Council are presumably those who trust him least... and it's mostly his morals that keep Harry from taking advantage of his other connections. If kicking him out of the Council just drives him closer to Mab, why is that a win?

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Indeed, which again is a real weakness of the book, it feels like a Summer Knight play over. But in least in Summer Knight there was an explanation, this doesn't make sense on so many levels.  For starters if the Council considers Harry that much of a rogue, why keep him as a warden, and further on the team that is supposed to keep order at the Peace Talks?  Sounds like it was to be yet another set up that got spoiled by the Fomor's plans.  But why?

TheCuriousFan:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 20, 2020, 11:42:19 AM ---Indeed, which again is a real weakness of the book, it feels like a Summer Knight play over. But in least in Summer Knight there was an explanation, this doesn't make sense on so many levels.  For starters if the Council considers Harry that much of a rogue, why keep him as a warden, and further on the team that is supposed to keep order at the Peace Talks?  Sounds like it was to be yet another set up that got spoiled by the Fomor's plans.  But why?

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Well he was basically cut, they didn't trust him with any specific security detail and stuck a tracker on him from the start while they gave him a token job (since he's there either way). Also there's a rift where the wardens heavily favour him compared to the rest of the white council, no point in pissing off that bloc before the formal vote.

ClintACK:
It feels like someone was trying the shotgun approach to distracting Harry -- throw absolutely everything at him at once. You've got Rudolph threatening Murphy, the svartalves threatening Thomas, Justine's pregnant, the Council threatening to kick Harry out, everything with Eb, cornerhounds...

I'd bet that if he started looking at any of the threats seriously, they'd melt away. He could easily prove Thomas was innocent, if he put the time in as PI; he could easily dismiss the case against Murphy if he spent some diamonds on a good attorney; the White Council vote will turn out to be a half-assed effort that he's going to win anyway; and so on.

The point of all of the subplots is to distract Harry from the real plot of PT/BG.

The main question going into BG: Is Ethniu, and the massive fomor attack on Chicago, just another distraction?

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