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The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden

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Conspiracy Theorist:
Perhaps there is a whole conspiracy about not telling Starborn about being Starborn, like Wizards Foresight as it tempts the Starborn to play into the role rather than develop naturally.

vultur:

--- Quote from: Smaug with OCD on August 20, 2020, 08:25:45 PM ---Didn't Harry and Mab have a talk at the end of Small Favor(?) where Harry said something along the lines of "I'm only human/I'm mortal," and Mab replied with "For now." ? I don't remember the exact quote and don't have the book close at hand to check. But, I swear I remember this exchange being part of a larger discussion at some point.

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It's in Skin Game, chapter 3, when Harry covers Marcone's goons with frost and Mab thinks Harry is being squeamish because he didn't kill them. In context, I think Mab is talking about making Harry more "Winter-y".

Sure, the Winter Knight is still mortal, but I think the key is "I'm only human". Mab probably thinks her champion needs to be more than human (even if still mortal).

Mira:

--- Quote from: vultur on August 22, 2020, 05:19:08 AM ---It's in Skin Game, chapter 3, when Harry covers Marcone's goons with frost and Mab thinks Harry is being squeamish because he didn't kill them. In context, I think Mab is talking about making Harry more "Winter-y".

Sure, the Winter Knight is still mortal, but I think the key is "I'm only human". Mab probably thinks her champion needs to be more than human (even if still mortal).

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It is a problem of communication and preconceived perceptions of the other.  From the get go Harry has had a negative idea of who Mab is, I doubt he still has digested the importance of the role Winter plays.  So he is constantly on the defensive and suspects and questions any and almost all of her orders.  Mab on the other hand has been saddled with incompetent/thuggish Knights for quite some time.  All she cares about is getting the job done, she has lost her human compassion over the last thousand years, so she sees little purpose in the use of mercy.  "Human" doesn't get the job done, she expects more, that is why her human Knights have the mantle they have.

vultur:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 22, 2020, 02:48:04 PM ---It is a problem of communication and preconceived perceptions of the other.
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Yeah, exactly. None of the things Mab has had Harry do were actually things he would object to if he knew the real purpose of them:

- stopping the Faerie Court war instigated by Nemesis in SK
- stopping the Denarians in SmF
- killing Maeve the primary Nemesis agent in Winter & thus one of the primary threats to reality in CD
- messing up Nicodemus' plans and cutting him off from support in SG
- and in PT, the favors actually were used to rescue Thomas, which Harry would have tried to do anyway

Now in CD he thought Mab might be the one compromised, since he thought Maeve couldn't lie and she'd planted doubt about Mab's sanity as far back as PG. But afterwards, looking back... especially now that he knows Mab's real purpose...

I'm not really sure why Mab needed to isolate Harry between CD and SG. If she'd explained what Bonea really was, Harry would have waited until she was ready to be born rather than have Molly remove her immediately. And if Mab had started out explaining that the real plan in SG was to cut Nicodemus off from all his support, she probably wouldn't have needed to compel him to participate.

TheCuriousFan:

--- Quote from: vultur on August 22, 2020, 10:58:36 PM ---Yeah, exactly. None of the things Mab has had Harry do were actually things he would object to if he knew the real purpose of them:

- stopping the Faerie Court war instigated by Nemesis in SK
- stopping the Denarians in SmF
- killing Maeve the primary Nemesis agent in Winter & thus one of the primary threats to reality in CD
- messing up Nicodemus' plans and cutting him off from support in SG
- and in PT, the favors actually were used to rescue Thomas, which Harry would have tried to do anyway

Now in CD he thought Mab might be the one compromised, since he thought Maeve couldn't lie and she'd planted doubt about Mab's sanity as far back as PG. But afterwards, looking back... especially now that he knows Mab's real purpose...

I'm not really sure why Mab needed to isolate Harry between CD and SG. If she'd explained what Bonea really was, Harry would have waited until she was ready to be born rather than have Molly remove her immediately. And if Mab had started out explaining that the real plan in SG was to cut Nicodemus off from all his support, she probably wouldn't have needed to compel him to participate.

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Giving a straight answer even when you want to seems to get harder the further up the faerie ladder you are.

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