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Yuillegan:
First, are we still putting spoiler in the title and/or spoiler tags? I figure not everyone will have read Peace Talks yet but wanted to check.

Now, on to the discussion.


GIFTS

So something that has stood out to me is that gifts, favors, debts, obligations and grudges all seem to be traded and are the real currency of the supernatural world. Gifts seem to be the most overt and perhaps most powerful tool of manipulation.

Whilst it seems that the various supernatural nations and beings have different ideas about what gifts are and the rules around them (e.g. the Fae are required to give a gift of equal value in return, and seem to supernaturally know what that might be) essentially they all trade gifts.

There are obvious events and times when gifts are to be given such as birthdays, inaugurations and holidays (literally, holy days) such as Christmas. There are rules about the duties and obligations of lords, hosts, guests and servants about what kinds of gifts and so on.

What really made me think about it is that the Black Council almost exclusively seem to give gifts to the forces/individuals they wish to either recruit or corrupt.

They arranged the Morgana's Athame to go to Lea, they gave at the very least the spell (if not a tome of dark magic) that Victor Sells used, I suspect that they arranged Mavra to train Bianca, they quite possibly gave a corrupted gift to Ferrovax (but that is as yet unknown) and they gave the cursed Wolf Belts to the FBI.

And I dare say they helped give the Eye of Balor to Ethniu.

That last one got me thinking too. Who ripped out a goddess' eye? Vadderung cut out his own (especially from the way his scars look). But Ethniu's looked like a very large angry feline ripped her original eye out. I doubt she did and I am sure someone else did. So who then?

But I would guess that the Black Council facilitated it. Why do I think that? Because the Eye was originally lost. Balor loses it when his grandson, Ethniu's own son Lugh knocks it out of his head with a stone from a sling (very David and Goliath). Ethniu might have been given her father's eye by her son but why she would use it herself rather than her son is strange. Stranger still...where is her son?

Some have speculated that Morgana's Athame carried the Nemfection. Perhaps all of their gifts are tainted in that way. Which leads to more questions. How do they contain the being, is it like the Cornerhounds in that each vessel contains a part of the whole? And how does it then "infect" a host? What are the limits? What are the dangers?

So perhaps the Black Council are doing what is hinted at earlier in the series, exploiting the rules and twisting them against their intended purposes.

What other items could be infected?

Thoughts?

Mira:

--- Quote ---Some have speculated that Morgana's Athame carried the Nemfection.
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I believe that Mab confirmed that it was in Cold Days when she tells Harry in regards to Maeve.


--- Quote ---"It was the Knife."
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Conspiracy Theorist:
Maybe Morgan’s Athame was used to perform the surgery on Ethnui, and then given to Lea.

Dina:
On topic: I think there is a real explanation in the real life mithology about the Eye of Balor (I just don't remember it)


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 13, 2020, 01:11:28 PM ---First, are we still putting spoiler in the title and/or spoiler tags? I figure not everyone will have read Peace Talks yet but wanted to check.

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The convention is: If you are in the DF spoilers (like is the case) you don't need to put any warning or spoiler tag in the body of the thread, but it is good manners not too put anything spoilerific in the title of the thread (as it usually shows in the "new thread" or things like that, out of the context of the DF spoilers section.
So, your thread is perfect. Write whatever you wish in the threads but not in the title. For example, I just saw a thread that says something about why Thomas killed Etri ,and that is not very kosher (even when the trailer said that Thomas has killed someone, not everyone has seen it).

vultur:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 13, 2020, 01:11:28 PM ---But I would guess that the Black Council facilitated it.
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Possibly, depending on who you mean by that.

I think what Harry attributes to the "Black Council" is actually the actions of at least two different sets of beings; Nemesis and the Nemfected on one side and Cowl, Kumori, the Circle, and whatever other allies he has on the other.

(My WAG is that Cowl and co. are not Nemfected but just mortal wizards who believe they are using the Outsiders for their own goals rather than really being on their "side".)

Given the "mildew" descriptions we get for Cowl's gates, Cowl is likely connected to the Fomor somehow. So Cowl & the Circle & other wizard-type allies of the Fomor could very likely have been involved in giving Ethniu the Eye.


--- Quote --- Balor loses it when his grandson, Ethniu's own son Lugh knocks it out of his head with a stone from a sling (very David and Goliath).
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--- Quote from: Dina on August 13, 2020, 09:25:50 PM ---On topic: I think there is a real explanation in the real life mithology about the Eye of Balor (I just don't remember it)

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Yes, Lugh's sling stone is supposed to have knocked Balor's Eye out the back of his head.

The more interesting question is how it was ever retrieved and installed, given how incredibly destructive it was when not covered!

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