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Mirror Mirror Next?
Mira:
--- Quote --- Being Starborn might protect you from Nemesis (and even that's just Harry's speculation), but wouldn't prevent you from going warlock. Harry was tainted by killing Justin, in the early books, although he seems to have overcome that.
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I agree, one is an outside force, Nemesis causing the madness. Becoming warlock is caused by an inside force/talent misused and abused that is addictive and unless checked leads to evil.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: vultur on August 01, 2020, 03:50:26 AM ---Other way around, I think. The nails and coins probably only contained angels and Fallen after they were given significance by the events around the Crucifixion.
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I wonder if an angel resides in the nail or uses it as a vessel/channel for it's power. Residing in the coins seems like a punishment as much as a cheat to act in the world.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 01, 2020, 04:07:12 AM --- I agree, one is an outside force, Nemesis causing the madness. Becoming warlock is caused by an inside force/talent misused and abused that is addictive and unless checked leads to evil.
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I disagree, both are from outside reality, both replace what was there with something inhuman and monstrous. Both, if necromancy is any example, come from the power of being NOT. The way the feeling is described in book when touched upon, being greasy, cold, ect. If magic is part of creation, then it's opposing force is an element of destruction, it isn't natural to reality, has to come from somewhere.
And that's not even starting on the whole mirroring/shadow theory. The fae(pretty much everything actually, TWG and Lucifer for instance, Mouse calling Him My Shadow was a cluebat) protect themselves from being a mirror from Nemesis, a beacon as put forth in PG(that's the double ontondre that Jim always has, where explaining one facet of the DF reality actually explains something else too, it's explaining how Nemesis finds hosts), by having their mirror inside reality, when that mirroring slips it creates cosmic imbalances through which Nemesis can act.when wizards start to break the laws they're violating free will, cosmic order, which we know twists things, things like shagnasty who were supposed to leave but chose to stay, ghosts who manifest and mess with ppl, ect. But wizards aren't JUST twisted, they're replaced. That replacement has to come from somewhere no? Violating free will has no place in reality, but doing so makes you a beacon for things of a similar nature. This is I think why warlocks have to be executed after a certain point. It's all wrapped up together.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on August 01, 2020, 04:36:02 AM ---I wonder if an angel resides in the nail or uses it as a vessel/channel for it's power. Residing in the coins seems like a punishment as much as a cheat to act in the world.
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Yeah, the angels in the Swords probably aren't imprisoned in the same way the fallen angels in the coins are.
There's a WOJ that the 30 Fallen in the coins are ones Lucifer didn't want around because they might mess up and/or challenge his control of Hell (Lasciel apparently never really followed him in the first place, "playing both sides" of the War in Heaven). So I agree they are actually "constrained" and not just using a trick to act in the mortal world.
But even so, I think the association with the Crucifixion gave the nail the "significance" to become a "focus point" for an angel.
That is, I don't think the DV Jesus was crucified with already-angelic or otherwise previously "special" nails. I think all these items (the nails, the spearhead/athame, the Grail, the placard, the Shroud, the Crown of Thorns) gained significance/power due to their association with the Crucifixion.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: vultur on August 01, 2020, 05:11:25 AM ---Yeah, the angels in the Swords probably aren't imprisoned in the same way the fallen angels in the coins are.
There's a WOJ that the 30 Fallen in the coins are ones Lucifer didn't want around because they might mess up and/or challenge his control of Hell (Lasciel apparently never really followed him in the first place, "playing both sides" of the War in Heaven). So I agree they are actually "constrained" and not just using a trick to act in the mortal world.
But even so, I think the association with the Crucifixion gave the nail the "significance" to become a "focus point" for an angel.
That is, I don't think the DV Jesus was crucified with already-angelic or otherwise previously "special" nails. I think all these items (the nails, the spearhead/athame, the Grail, the placard, the Shroud, the Crown of Thorns) gained significance/power due to their association with the Crucifixion.
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idk, I think they were Nortia's nails of inexorable human fate before TWC literally took humanities fate and spared us from it. I think if the nails 'Fall' they'd be weapons of destruction again.. possibly he only made them Rise to good purposes with his actions.
*Nortia's the Etruscan version of the Greek Nemesis btw
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