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Battle Ground Casualties [Peace Talks Spoilers]
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on July 26, 2020, 10:20:18 PM ---I think it's a stretch to say it's a reference to The Snow Queen instead of Frozen, that Harry's even familiar with the claim that Frozen is based on The Snow Queen, and/or that Harry's familiar with The Snow Queen.
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Maybe, maybe not, Harry also reads a lot.
TheCuriousFan:
I'm confused, why are we talking about whether or not the ring that plays Let it Go on loop is a reference to Frozen or a reference to the Snow Queen?
vultur:
I voted Eb, Listens-to-Wind, Rashid, Luccio, and Billy - but I'm really not particularly confident of those specific people - except Eb and maybe Luccio. My real prediction is "one or more of the Alphas, Eb and at least one other Senior Council member, and NOT Butters or Sanya" (I don't think it's time to pass another Sword).
Murphy seems almost too obvious, so I'm thinking probably not her.
Before PT I thought Eb's death was "too obvious" too (because of the 'death of the mentor' trope... also because I thought if he did die it would be right before the BAT and Harry would take up the Blackstaff) - but it really seems to have been "set up" in PT.
Thomas is "on ice" and out of the fight, so probably not him.
Harry's grief in Christmas Eve might be Eb, Luccio, plus one or more people who look up to him/he feels semi-responsible for (that's why I'm thinking one or more of the Alphas - though it could be Carlos too, or another "junior" Warden, especially if they die while operating under his orders as Regional Commander).
It's not Halloween, so I think the actual Immortal characters on the list (Sarissa, Titania, Uriel, probably the Erlking, maybe Vadderung/Odin/Kringle) are OK.
Dina:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on July 27, 2020, 03:19:59 AM ---I'm confused, why are we talking about whether or not the ring that plays Let it Go on loop is a reference to Frozen or a reference to the Snow Queen?
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We are not. The ring, as most of the conversation, is about Frozen, that is without doubt. But the specific question “is it going to be possible for her to freeze someone’s heart and turn them into an ice statue" is tricky, because Elsa makes ice statues but not freezes any hearts. That was what the Snow Queen did in the tale. And that is a story Harry should probably be more familiar than Frozen. He reads a lot and he cannot see a lot of movies (due to his murphyonic field). When reading all that, I did not think he has seen the movie, only that he knows about it like I did long before watching it. So he thought it was based on Snow Queen. And he was right (it has been stated many times that the original idea was to make an actual Snow Queen movie, with Elsa as a villain. Only the first tests showed that everybody loved her as a secure, powerful, good character).
Anyway, I don't think this is relevant because I don't think Harry wants his own heart to be "iced", he only wants to be sure that Maggie can't hurt anyone while playing.
ClintACK:
--- Quote from: Dina on July 27, 2020, 06:16:31 AM ---... because Elsa makes ice statues but not freezes any hearts.
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She accidentally freezes her sister's heart, and almost kills her. (click to show/hide)Until the power of the True Love between the sisters saves the day. A theme that seems relevant for Mab and Titania going into Battleground, perhaps.
--- Quote ---Anyway, I don't think this is relevant because I don't think Harry wants his own heart to be "iced", he only wants to be sure that Maggie can't hurt anyone while playing.
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Yep.
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