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Is Eb the Bad Guy?

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ellarite:
I don't think Eb is necessarily the bad guy BUT I do believe that he's willing to perform heinous acts in a twisted attempt to save Harry.

Why?  Well Harry has gone down the same path as his mother Margaret LeFay and got mixed up with some shady folks:
 Margaret:Raith, Lea and Adriana.
 Harry: Mab, White court, Red court, Denarians, Hades, etc. 

I think that Eb told the truth about separating himself from his loved ones (Margaret) and as a result she died.

He then refused to claim Harry UNTIL the boy was about to be executed.  At which point, Eb stepped up and trained Harry in isolation with a specific moral compass.  This resulted in Harry becoming a private eye who wanted to help folks.

However, Eb kept the family connection a secret from Harry...maybe to protect himself or Harry. 

Now Eb sees Harry's connection with the most powerful and potentially dangerous characters in Dresdenville.  Also, the wizards are whispering amongst themselves and Harry is both powerful and obstinate as hell. Oh no. 

So Eb, being the Blackstaff, is deploying every skill and tactic available to SAVE HARRY!  I will not be surprised if the following is revealed:

1.  Eb mind-screwed Carlos to track Harry & add him to security detail.

2.  Eb magicked his way into Svaltalves compound to get eyes on Harry then later set it on fire to allow Thomas an opportunity to kill Etri.

3.  Eb mind-jacked Thomas to kill.  (#2/#3 effectively removes Harry's and Maggie's home-base and forces Harry to find a safe-haven from Maggie).

4.  Eb has mind-jacked Harry (or his a tracker on him) which is how he keeps finding Harry in the damndest of places:  Outside Justines apartment, on a dock in a marina.

5.  I think Eb summoned the cornerhounds because...we only saw them the one time, with Eb.  He also conveniently drops the "You're a Starborn, Harry" info.  Probably designed for Harry to seek his mentor for answers.

So I don't think Eb is necessarily the bad guy but I do think he has some deep/twisted shame from his past (Lefay? Wife? Work?) and is hellbent on saving Harry at any and all cost.

Side note:  did anyone notice his deep rage upon finding out that Thomas is his Wampire grandson?  I'm starting to wonder if Lefay herself is a product of Ebs wife and another Wampire.  Maybe the HUNGER killed Mrs. Eb during her pregnancy.
---Could create another parallel...Harry had a kid with a pseudo-Rampire.  Hmmmmm...

Mira:

--- Quote ---Actually, I think we do... Thomas says "She's going to be fed upon continuously for the next seven and a half months." So presumably a month and a half in.

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That is merely one missed cycle, a lot of things can account for that.  What if Justine isn't pregnant at all? 

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 03, 2020, 08:02:00 PM ---That is merely one missed cycle, a lot of things can account for that.  What if Justine isn't pregnant at all?

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There are tests for that.

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: ellarite on August 03, 2020, 07:25:54 PM ---I don't think Eb is necessarily the bad guy BUT I do believe that he's willing to perform heinous acts in a twisted attempt to save Harry.

Why?  Well Harry has gone down the same path as his mother Margaret LeFay and got mixed up with some shady folks:
 Margaret:Raith, Lea and Adriana.
 Harry: Mab, White court, Red court, Denarians, Hades, etc. 

I think that Eb told the truth about separating himself from his loved ones (Margaret) and as a result she died.

He then refused to claim Harry UNTIL the boy was about to be executed.  At which point, Eb stepped up and trained Harry in isolation with a specific moral compass.  This resulted in Harry becoming a private eye who wanted to help folks.

However, Eb kept the family connection a secret from Harry...maybe to protect himself or Harry. 

Now Eb sees Harry's connection with the most powerful and potentially dangerous characters in Dresdenville.  Also, the wizards are whispering amongst themselves and Harry is both powerful and obstinate as hell. Oh no. 

So Eb, being the Blackstaff, is deploying every skill and tactic available to SAVE HARRY!  I will not be surprised if the following is revealed:

1.  Eb mind-screwed Carlos to track Harry & add him to security detail.

2.  Eb magicked his way into Svaltalves compound to get eyes on Harry then later set it on fire to allow Thomas an opportunity to kill Etri.

3.  Eb mind-jacked Thomas to kill.  (#2/#3 effectively removes Harry's and Maggie's home-base and forces Harry to find a safe-haven from Maggie).

4.  Eb has mind-jacked Harry (or his a tracker on him) which is how he keeps finding Harry in the damndest of places:  Outside Justines apartment, on a dock in a marina.

5.  I think Eb summoned the cornerhounds because...we only saw them the one time, with Eb.  He also conveniently drops the "You're a Starborn, Harry" info.  Probably designed for Harry to seek his mentor for answers.

So I don't think Eb is necessarily the bad guy but I do think he has some deep/twisted shame from his past (Lefay? Wife? Work?) and is hellbent on saving Harry at any and all cost.

Side note:  did anyone notice his deep rage upon finding out that Thomas is his Wampire grandson?  I'm starting to wonder if Lefay herself is a product of Ebs wife and another Wampire.  Maybe the HUNGER killed Mrs. Eb during her pregnancy.
---Could create another parallel...Harry had a kid with a pseudo-Rampire.  Hmmmmm...

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One of the questions I occasionally toss about- does Ebenezer know that the Leanansidhe is Harry's faery godmother?

Does anyone, aside from Harry?

That's a pipeline far up the Winter hierarchy that explains a lot of things.

For instance, you don't trust Harry Dresden, and locations in the NeverNever connect directly to places in the real world that have a sympathetic connection. Harry's home is opposite the home of one of the nastiest, most powerful Fae. Pretty bespoke statement on Harry's character- if one does not know that the connection is familial (of a sort). It's the opposite of his little-known connection to the Knights of the Cross or pet Foo Dog.

Not knowing that Harry is the godson- the *family*- of one of the nastiest Fae, and that his half-brother is a Whampire that shares something like 95% of his "screw'em" character, and that somehow he knew not just who the Kemmlerites were (given he's the wrong generation) and demonstrated an advanced knowledge of necromancy in the process- Butcher's done a great job of making Harry look reasonable from Harry's point of view but you really have to think about how he looks from the outside.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on August 03, 2020, 08:54:56 PM ---Does anyone, aside from Harry?

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Michael does. Mab does. I think Molly does. And that's just what I recall of people who have been on page when it's mentioned.


--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on August 03, 2020, 08:54:56 PM ---Butcher's done a great job of making Harry look reasonable from Harry's point of view but you really have to think about how he looks from the outside.

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And he's also hinted, if not stated, throughout the series that Harry is reasonably viewed with fear and suspicion.

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