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What is Lara's problem? [PT Spoilers!]
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Dina on July 23, 2020, 03:04:26 PM ---I totally agree with TCF (also, hi! I haven't seen in a while, I don't even know if you visited your birthday thread)
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I drifted away after the Berserk like release schedule kicked in. Nice to see you're still around.
ClintACK:
--- Quote from: forumghost on July 24, 2020, 11:16:28 AM ---Y'know what really confused me about Lara in PT?
The conversation at the end with Harry where she's like "I cannot comprehend your motives here". Bitch, they are literally the same as yours, He wants to save his fucking brother, it's not that goddamn hard.
Like, how does she think he's doing this to hold one over on her? Nobody that knows anything about Harry would buy that bluff. "Yes I, Harry Dresden, will totally hold my only brother's life as a hostage".
How are we supposed to believe there is any confusion here?!?!?
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It's like the conversation with Mab at the end of Cold Days, where she tells him how impressed she is with how he groomed and manipulated Molly in ways he totally hadn't intended. He did all those things, but that wasn't how he was thinking about it. He was always trying to do the right thing.
Lara also loves her brother, but she is delighted to use him as a lever against Harry. She assumes that Harry is the same -- that he loves his brother, and will ruthlessly use him as a lever against Lara anyway. (In truth, we could come up with several examples of him actually doing so -- or at least superficially doing so because "that's how you talk to predators" or something like that.)
We all see other people by using our own brain to model their behavior. This leads people to "project" their own tendencies onto others. The con-man believes that no one can ever be trusted, while trustworthy folk fall for the con precisely because they are trustworthy.
You might expect a master manipulator like Lara to be better at understanding very different human motives, but it's a classic old trope -- the Devil understanding all of humanity's dark motivations and being totally flummoxed when we do things out of selfless love.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 24, 2020, 10:25:45 AM ---
It means that as of Turn Coat he could feel everything that went on on the island.. However not until Cold Days, did he understand that he could manipulate it and more to the point if he wanted,
ask Alfred to grab Mab and throw her in the slammer, and it was possible.
Since Lara didn't witness any of that in Turn Coat or was there in Cold Days, she wouldn't know any of the above.
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I guess your word choice of officially confused me because he was Warden the moment he bonded with Alfred. He just didn't know it yet. He didn't really understand it until some point after CD. It seemed to me that you were disagreeing with me that Lara wouldn't know that Harry's power on the island was much more than it had been.
--- Quote from: ClintACK on July 24, 2020, 12:08:25 PM ---She assumes that Harry is the same -- that he loves his brother, and will ruthlessly use him as a lever against Lara anyway.
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If you recall from DB, Harry has ruthlessly risked the secret that Thomas is his brother when Harry blackmailed the leader of the White Court by proxy. From Lara's perspective, Harry has played her game.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Grifter on July 23, 2020, 10:21:15 PM --- She clearly strategizing for the future, but not increasing her own power level seems like an odd failure on her part while she's doing all this other work.
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I'm sure she's well-fed, and at about 100% of her upper-limit potential, but I don't think she can really increase it past that.
Just like human physical strength. People can get stronger by working out, but eventually they hit an upper limit.
--- Quote ---But I guessi expect her to have felt a need to match her father's power level pre-curse as a prerequisite to the position she holds.
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She doesn't really need it. She took down Lord Raith when he was vastly weakened, and a few years later basically all the potential challengers got killed (in WN and TC).
She's the strongest living Whampire, except maybe Thomas, who won't challenge her for leadership.
And Lara is really enormously powerful. If she can move mortal military forces around and hire Valkyries, her relative *personal* weakness (compared to say PT-era Harry or a powerful Blampire; she's still superhuman) isn't that relevant.
Just... charging somebody with a knife is about her weakest area. That's why it seemed so odd.
Grifter:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 27, 2020, 01:00:37 AM ---I'm sure she's well-fed, and at about 100% of her upper-limit potential, but I don't think she can really increase it past that.
Just like human physical strength. People can get stronger by working out, but eventually they hit an upper limit.
She doesn't really need it. She took down Lord Raith when he was vastly weakened, and a few years later basically all the potential challengers got killed (in WN and TC).
She's the strongest living Whampire, except maybe Thomas, who won't challenge her for leadership.
And Lara is really enormously powerful. If she can move mortal military forces around and hire Valkyries, her relative *personal* weakness (compared to say PT-era Harry or a powerful Blampire; she's still superhuman) isn't that relevant.
Just... charging somebody with a knife is about her weakest area. That's why it seemed so odd.
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But that's what I'm saying. Her allowing herself to have a weak spot is surprising to me.
Even if she does have a reservoir limit, I'm struggling to believe that her reservoir is so low. She fed Thomas for an hour and it wasn't enough to put a dent in his hunger, but it drained her?
And if it is that low, then I would expect her to find ways around it.
If Harry can create rings that store kinetic energy, and can create a belt buckle that will store energy to increase his physical attributes, and Lara has seen at least some of those in action, then I would honestly expect her to find a contractor to help her find a way to have an additional reservoir, artificial or not, to supplement her.
Seeing her flail helplessly after nursing Thomas for an hour was just sad and disappointing.
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