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The Hounds of Tindalos - who were they after? SPOILERS

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Conspiracy Theorist:
Has Eb just done some time travelling? It would certainly provide an alibi “I couldn’t have put a whammy on Thomas as I was in X meeting with Y dignitaries of impeccable character at that time, just ask the Summer Lady”.  We don’t know yet whether a Eb along his personal time -line has done the time travelling yet when the Hounds intervene. The hounds may have been an attempt to prevent him, its after this argument with Harry that he time travels to intercept Thomas and whammy him, the battle at the Water Beetle therefore occurs after he has done this. Harry therefore provokes Eb into setting up Thomas.

Harry argues with Harry at the Svartalves residence over Thomas
Thomas attacks Etri
Eb argues again with Harry outside Thomas Apartment
The Hounds attack Eb
Eb goes back in time to set up Thomas for the attack on Etri triggering the Hounds to attack him before he does so and eliminate the paradox Eb has created.
Eb has his third confrontation with Harry and learns Thomas is his grandson

knnn:
Random facts:


* Harry was checking for surveillance around Justine's apartment when he gets attacked and mentions not seeing anything when he gets attacked
* Similarly, Lara mentions leaks but hasn't noticed any magical interference.
* Only mortals can summon Outsiders.
The idea of time-travel is interesting, as it would explain how nobody is noticing anything ("Veil Time" would be a good name for a book), but I think it's more likely that it's pure mortals doing everything.   Consider that later on, Grey says that the Feds have surveillance on Justine.

WAG:

What if Justine was the one leaking Lara's secrets to some mortal authority (e.g. the FBI) in return for the supernatural equivalent of "Witness Protection".   This would explain why they have surveillance in place, and also maybe why the first thing Justine asks is "does Lara know?".   She's more worried about the spying.   FBI-style bugging would be very hard for Harry to detect (though easy to disrupt).

As for the Hounds, what if the FBI agents were given "tools" they don't really understand (e.g. hexunbelts), or somehow suborned to serve the Black Council?  Someone could easily blackmail Thomas with Justine's spying and force him to do things (or maybe Thomas was in on the spying himself).

Or maybe, Ebenezer's "someone you don't expect" is actually Justine.  Heck, do we know for sure if Thomas is really the father?

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: knnn on July 27, 2020, 04:30:44 PM ---Ebenezer's "someone you don't expect" is actually Justine.
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This is where I am until someone convinces me otherwise.

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on July 20, 2020, 07:18:27 AM ---The one thing I don't want is to find out that the cornerhounds came after Harry because he will time travel in the future.  Leave the timey-whimey BS to Dr. Who.  If they were targeting Ebenezer at least there might be a good excuse.  He might have recently used the Blackstaff to time travel and whoever summoned the cornerhounds was aware of Eb's activities and knew the cornerhounds would home in on the old wizard because presumably there's a way for those creatures to sense some residual signal (or call it a magical scent) that identifies a recent time traveler.

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That's interesting. I was interested in the idea that they came for the time-traveled Harry, but couldn't tell them apart.

Yuillegan:
Conspiracy Theorist - It's an interesting scene you propose but I doubt that Time Travel is as easy as that. Otherwise wouldn't Eb just rewrite all his mistakes and always win? Vadderung hints that it's next to impossible to actually do, even if you know how.

knnn - Very interesting idea about Veil Time. It's clear in the Dresdenverse that reality has multiple layers...Uriel isn't bothered by thresholds or circles and time isn't linear for him. So it wouldn't surprise me if Dresden were simply unable to detect that layer of reality with the Sight as all he is scanning is the layers he can perceive. It ties into the whole thing Carmichael talks about in Ghost Story about Harry not being ready to experience more layers as it would "obviate certain options".

Humans bugs don't seem as likely, at least to me. Lara has mortals in her employ with the training to detect such mundane methods and they wouldn't disrupt the tech. But Harry being unable to see them seems likely as he isn't even aware of most of the internet. It's plausible that Justine has asked to be bugged...but I would think that Lara's contacts in government would find out that information unless she was protected via those "BPRD/MIB" guys. But I could see it all as a set-up to get Harry somehow.

I like the idea of mortal agents summoning Outsiders without realizing the extent of what they were doing. Very Lovecraft, but also a nice tie-in to the FBI agents in Fool Moon being given those belts.

I think the current suspects for the knife in the ribs moment are: Justine, Murphy, Carlos, Lara, one of the young wardens, Thomas. In that order.

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