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Yuillegan:
So we learnt a few things about Outsiders and the Outside this book.

1. The Outside and Outer Night are the same place (at least to Harry). Harry tells the Hounds of Tindalos (Cornerhounds) to return to the Outer Night, and they are Outsiders he is banishing to the Outside.
This has long been speculated but now we have confirmation.

So why are the Red Court Elders called The Lords of the Outer Night? What exactly are they? What's the connection between the Outsiders and the Red Court?

2. We learn part of the reason the Law for not seeking knowledge from beyond the Outer Gates is due to the corruptive influence of the Outside tending to make mortals (and perhaps other beings) go mad. We learn that only Starborns (unique amongst mortals) are insulated from the effects. Harry himself speculates this is why Nemesis hasn't corrupted him. It also confirms by implication that mortals CAN be affected by Nemesis.

3. Harry also refers to the Outside as elemental chaos. In D&D Elemental Chaos is a sort of "sea" of spirit energy in which certain planes of existence dwell. It's opposite is the Astral Sea. It's the difference between Law and Chaos. Harry doesn't capitalise elemental chaos, which suggests he doesn't think of it as a specific place but rather a descriptor of the Outside. The Outside in the Dresden Files is far more similar to the Far Realm. But perhaps Jim is laying further clues.

4. We learnt that Outsiders often simply project themselves into multiple bodies, and this is why it's hard to even hurt them as the avatars they create often are not built to feel pain etc. However, starborns seem to be able to hurt them through their connection from the avatar to the source.

5. The Last Titan and the Fomor are somehow in league with the Outsiders...just like the Red Court.

Vairelome:
Random thought--back during the Red Court War, the White Council figured out the Red Court-Outsider connection, and further, that the Red Court must also be working with one or more mortal practitioners, since (speculation?) it requires Mortal Free Will to summon Outsiders directly into the physical world.  It seems pretty evident that the Fomor have replaced the Red Court as the Outsiders' supernatural heavy hitter patsy group, but the appearance of the Cornerhounds/Hounds of Tindalos indicates that the mortal practitioner summoner patsy is still around (and in Chicago!) as well.  (...which means the original summoner during the Red Court War wasn't just Peabody, for example.)

ClintACK:
The Outsiders seem to have always had lots of mortal practitioners. See: three full circles of ritual casters in Cold Days.

And although the White Council's official position denies it, we know they've got Cowl too.

And then there's the question of what the Fomor have been doing with all the minor mortal practitioners they've been gathering...

Arjan:
And as bloodrites showed it is not that difficult to find a few practitioners and give them a ritual.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Arjan on July 19, 2020, 09:16:43 PM ---And as bloodrites showed it is not that difficult to find a few practitioners and give them a ritual.

--- End quote ---

  Well, there is always trouble when amateurs mess with the occult.   

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