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Mac Kineely
Mira:
--- Quote from: knightedbishop on July 18, 2020, 05:27:52 PM ---Mira- where did you get that the titans are older than Mac?
I didn’t realize we knew his age...or really anything apart from he makes amazing beer he’s out, Sharkface called him watcher, and Odin and Mab show him respect.
I’ve been wondering where the Tuatha de Danann are in all of this. The Formor are linked to that mythology. So is Balor and Ethniu. I was going to pin Mac for Goibniu because of the brewing and I love the Iron Druid Chroincles. Odin stayed “in the game” but Mac bowed out and gave up his power to stay on the sidelines. Heck, maybe he was one of the gods who shaped/dumped power into the fae.
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Bulfinch's Mythology says;
--- Quote ---A race of primordial deities, children of Heaven and Earth, finally overcome by the thunderbolts of rebellious Jupiter who banished them to Tartarus. Twelve of them according
to oldest accounts, six male and six female: Oceanus, Coeus, Crius, Hyerion, Iapetus,Cronus, Theia, Rhea, Themis, Mnemosyne, Phiebe, and Tethys
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I think we are talking two different mythologies Greek/Roman verses Irish..
Grifter:
But I think Butcher is equating Titans with Jotun with Fomor. A lot of mythologies have an older deity generation that giants that are wiped out. Even Christianity has the nephilim that are sometimes called giants, but they're wiped out.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Grifter on July 18, 2020, 05:53:57 PM ---But I think Butcher is equating Titans with Jotun with Fomor. A lot of mythologies have an older deity generation that giants that are wiped out. Even Christianity has the nephilim that are sometimes called giants, but they're wiped out.
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My point is it depends on which or who's mythology one cares to sight.. Goliath was a giant.
knightedbishop:
Ya. Balor and Ethniu are from Irish/Celtic mythology as far as I know. Not Greco-Roman. How she has the title “the last titan” is a mystery to me. Though my theory is this is another example of mantles and masks- perhaps she was a Greek deity/Titan originally. When that religion faded she picked up a new mask in the Irish mythos.
Given the commonalities between some religions- mainly a Sky/Thunder god as head of the pantheon, I wonder how many different identities Vadderung’s had over his life.
Grifter:
--- Quote from: knightedbishop on July 18, 2020, 06:05:56 PM ---Ya. Balor and Ethniu are from Irish/Celtic mythology as far as I know. Not Greco-Roman. How she has the title “the last titan” is a mystery to me. Though my theory is this is another example of mantles and masks- perhaps she was a Greek deity/Titan originally. When that religion faded she picked up a new mask in the Irish mythos.
Given the commonalities between some religions- mainly a Sky/Thunder god as head of the pantheon, I wonder how many different identities Vadderung’s had over his life.
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That's what I'm saying. Titan could just be a regional name for the entities called Jotun or Fomor elsewhere. They don't have to be overlapping identities, they're just the giants that ruled over different regions of Earth around the same time. And each Giant Pantheon was overthrown by a younger Pantheon.
So now "Titan" could be the most commonly recognized name for that "species", because they don't want to use "giant" because it doesn't carry the metaphysical presence. And let's be honest, the general public had all but forgotten Jotun until the MCU, and nobody remembers the Fomor.
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