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And Amoracchius goes to... [Peace Talks Spoilers, Battle Ground Speculation]
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Grifter on July 17, 2020, 02:03:44 PM ---Imagine a scene where Harry's brought Amoracchius to the battle prep and left it laying on a table, and Marcone touches the hilt absently while explaining to Harry that all he wants is to protect the people in Chicago, and a faint glow emanates from the sheeth?
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I seriously, strenuously doubt that Amorrachius is going to go to someone who just barely didn't shoot Justine and an innocent child in the head only because it would mean having to fight and kill Dresden immediately instead of down the road.
Seriously, I don't know how anyone can read Even Hand and entertain the possibility that Marcone is anywhere near material for a Knight of the Cross.
Grifter:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 20, 2020, 01:48:11 AM ---I seriously, strenuously doubt that Amorrachius is going to go to someone who just barely didn't shoot Justine and an innocent child in the head only because it would mean having to fight and kill Dresden immediately instead of down the road.
Seriously, I don't know how anyone can read Even Hand and entertain the possibility that Marcone is anywhere near material for a Knight of the Cross.
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I think you're exaggerating the circumstances in Even Hand. He didn't just barely not kill them. He had no intention of killing the child at all. If you remember anything about him, you should remember that kids are safe. As for Justine, she was a spy that cost him valuable resources and who's actions injured his people, to use him as a cat's paw. Is it really so outlandish for someone to consider such things against a potential enemy that abused his own sensitivities?
But despite all that, he said he debated it, and then decided against it. There was never a rational reason for him to do it, so he wouldn't have. That's the one thing you can count on for Marcone. He won't do something without a profit.
As for the sword, it seems highly unlikely that he'd even be worthy. But it might be interesting to see him touch it while thinking about protecting his city, which he will likely defend as passionately and he does any of his people. Which is to say not passionately, but with cold determination.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Grifter on July 20, 2020, 03:05:06 AM ---I think you're exaggerating the circumstances in Even Hand. He didn't just barely not kill them. He had no intention of killing the child at all. If you remember anything about him, you should remember that kids are safe. As for Justine, she was a spy that cost him valuable resources and who's actions injured his people, to use him as a cat's paw. Is it really so outlandish for someone to consider such things against a potential enemy that abused his own sensitivities?
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As I recall the story, in the end, after the Fomor are driven off and Justine and the kid are safe, Marcone's inner monologue very clearly and explicitly considers killing both of them, because they've seen too much of his defenses.
Marcone is a bad person, who does bad things, for selfish reasons.
He is not fit for a Sword.
Admittedly, my copy is with someone else right now so I can't check it, but I do not recall Marcone excepting the child from his consideration of murder.
--- Quote ---But despite all that, he said he debated it, and then decided against it. There was never a rational reason for him to do it, so he wouldn't have. That's the one thing you can count on for Marcone. He won't do something without a profit.
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That he considered it and only decided against it for the reason of, "It means killing Harry now instead of killing Harry later," is not a good mark. He had to talk himself out of murdering a woman and an innocent child.
His idea for killing Justine and the child was made for cold, rational reasons -- that they knew of his defenses and might, some time in the future, tell Harry about them. He didn't kill them because doing so would mean fighting Harry immediately instead of later on -- i.e., he made the decision based on when would be a good time to murder someone else.
--- Quote ---As for the sword, it seems highly unlikely that he'd even be worthy. But it might be interesting to see him touch it while thinking about protecting his city, which he will likely defend as passionately and he does any of his people. Which is to say not passionately, but with cold determination.
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Marcone doesn't want another predator taking away his prey. He doesn't have some altruistic, virtuous desire to protect the innocent. He's just defending his hunting territory.
ClintACK:
Just checked my copy -- he doesn't mention killing the child, just Justine. And his reason is that she'll tell Dresden the details of his anti-Dresden defenses. (In Peace Talks, we learn that she did exactly that.)
In fact, he explicitly warns Justine about taking the child to the White Court, and suggests Father Forthill as an alternative.
The passage in question:
--- Quote from: Even Hand ---I debated putting a bullet in her head but decided against it.
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But, yes, Marcone is not a good man. His role in the story is to show that the "rational, honorable monster" that Dresden often finds himself dealing with (like Lara and Mab) isn't an exclusively supernatural phenomenon. Marcone is fully human, fully rational, and fully a monster. And still probably better than what would replace him if he's killed -- just like Lara or Mab.
I don't think he'll be taking up a Sword, any more than Lara or Lea or Mab, without a serious redemption arc.
Mira:
--- Quote ---But, yes, Marcone is not a good man. His role in the story is to show that the "rational, honorable monster" that Dresden often finds himself dealing with (like Lara and Mab) isn't an exclusively supernatural phenomenon. Marcone is fully human, fully rational, and fully a monster. And still probably better than what would replace him if he's killed -- just like Lara or Mab.
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Which is why it was weird to have him step up and take the lead to defend Chicago, even getting a bit moralistic...
As far as the Sword goes, I had thought of him as a possible candidate for one and that was confirmed that Jim even considered it at one point but went with Butters instead. Yes, he is a monster, but Sanya back when he held a coin did things that would make him a monster as well.
So it is possible that Marcone could and can redeem himself, if he continues to lead in the fight against the Fomor and the Titian he may succeed and be worthy of a Sword, if that is his desire.
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