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What's happening in Peace Talks?
Pirate101:
Wasn't Nemesis infecting Maeve at the same time as Lea at some point? I think there might be a limit to the number of outright possessions, but definitely more than just one at a time. Or maybe it makes a huge difference whether Nemesis receives an invitation or not.
Free Will has never been invincible. Other possessions (by some of the Denarians e. g.), mind-magic, dehumanizing transformations by the Fomor .... are all part of the Dresdenverse. The theory that Nemesis can't infect humans is based on them having Free Will. Imho that's too easy. Maybe humans have the potential to resist Nemesis because of Free Will, but they'd have to actually use it to do so. Justine has always been the victim type, I doubt it that Nemesis found it difficult to corrupt her. In hindsight, we should probably have a close look at the situations where she appears strong and smart. It started during or shortly before White Night...
Rob:
I am amused by how many people think I'm saying mortals can't be Nemfected.
I'm only saying I think mortals get a choice in it. And that's the thing about choice: sometimes people choose badly.
Remember that the Deniarians can't subvert a mortal's free will. But they can persuade, tempt, seduce, bribe. Even when Harry touched the coin and had Lash in his brain working 24/7 to corrupt him, even then he had a choice. Not even a fallen angel can touch mortal free will: mortals always get to choose.
Even when Lasciel drove Harry to suicide, Uriel is careful to point out that suicide was still Harry's choice. Lasciel influenced mortal free will but did not subvert it — and even just that subversion was, itself, enough cause to get Uriel to come up off the bench and start directly taking a hand in matters.
If Outsiders can infect mortals and subvert their free will willy-nilly, where's Uriel? Where's Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael? The fact we haven't so far seen the Archangels get involved in any way against the Outsiders suggests strongly to me that the Outsiders are respecting free will.
They're just really, really good at tempting mortals into saying "yes"... Deniarian-level good at it.
Arjan:
Or it just suggests that outsiders are not their department. The whole thing about acting when the fallen act is probably specific for the fallen.
Thana†os:
Rob -
You should really predict more stuff LOL
vultur:
--- Quote from: Pirate101 on September 30, 2020, 10:08:21 AM ---The theory that Nemesis can't infect humans is based on them having Free Will. Imho that's too easy.
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The argument I remember pre-BG was not so much that it was impossible as that it wouldn't really accomplish much - changing a mortal's Nature is a lot less effective if they aren't bound to their Nature and it is constantly changing anyway. But yeah most people don't seem to actually use Free Will that often/that strongly.
But anyway - in CD we saw outright possession/control with Cat Sith. That seems to be what happens with Justine at the end of BG.
--- Quote from: Pirate101 on September 30, 2020, 10:08:21 AM ---Wasn't Nemesis infecting Maeve at the same time as Lea at some point? I think there might be a limit to the number of outright possessions, but definitely more than just one at a time.
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Maybe one outright possession/total control at a time, but once Nemesis changes someone's Nature (as was done with Maeve) it stays changed without constant input from Nemesis?
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