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Why, Thomas, Why? (Peace Talks Spoilers)
vultur:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on July 27, 2020, 06:20:04 AM --- medications would make her a different kind of wreck imo.
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They can work really well - for some people at least.
--- Quote ---I don't see it petmenantly changing her
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It's probably not "permanent", in the sense that she would have trouble again if she stopped taking them.
--- Quote ---most of those kinds of meds would not mix with a pregnancy I am thinking
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I mean it might not be the safest thing ever, but the pregnancy wasn't intended, so who knows. And it's not like modern medical advice really takes White Court Vampire pregnancies into account.
--- Quote --- Things taking big enough bites that it tears into the soul on the other hand has been seen multiple times,
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But if Thomas had "eaten" Justine's issues, she wouldn't even need to be taking medication in WN.
--- Quote --- the main correlation to eating Infection, Molly lost hers to the scarecrow I feel sure.
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I really don't think Molly was ever Nemfected, what would that be based on?
I doubt Nemesis is anywhere near as common as people tend to speculate. (I am still not 100% convinced that Nemesis infects mortals anyway - its effect is to change beings' fixed nature, which might not do much pitted against mortal free will -- though Harry speculates in PT that being starborn makes him immune from Nemfection.)
The_Sibelis:
If you've read mouses story the correlation between black Magic and infection is no longer an ambiguous idea, or it's ability to effect mortals, which is pretty much confirmed anyway when Rashid feels it's necessary to examine Harry personally, or list off incidents involving mortals. I think she's quite common, she's the devil in everyone's ear, everyone has a shadow for her to speak through, humans can just override it. Those who can't, quite clearly have their own shadow mirror inside reality to prevent Nemesis room to maneuver.
And thomas became addicted to poison soon after, he craved the love and wouldn't be well fed without it, that's not natural. Nor was Justine's original illness which Kravos likened to a drug addict, which was directly reasoned in book to reduce willpower and allow possession. She acted not only entirely different but in possession of mind reading abilities not natural to what she seems usually capable of. No, glossing over Justine's sickness is blinding oneself to deeper clues, I plain out don't believe medication does anything for her, and despite her tongue and cheek reply in WN that that's why she's normal now, it doesn't have anything to do with it, if she even actually takes medication besides Thomas, whom was literally her medication as per her description of his effect on her. A particularly large dose/bite seems far more likely and proven of an idea. Especially since we encountered another with similar issues in sarrisa... Same issues? Doubt Mab helped her with meds either.
ClintACK:
There's a bit of ambiguity between actual Nemesis infection (like Cait Sith or Lea) and Corruption (like warlocks). For the most part, the line is clear -- Cait Sith was nemfected, the mind-control warlock at the start of Proven Guilty was corrupted, but what about the corruption of a 7th-law warlock?
If a non-starborn wizard were to do what Harry did to the cornerhounds -- opening his mind up to the Outside -- would that kind of Corruption be Nemesis? Or just another kind of madness?
Re: Justine's madness -- if Thomas's feeding was the only thing keeping her sane, what's going to happen to her when Thomas is locked away in a cell??
Mira:
--- Quote ---If a non-starborn wizard were to do what Harry did to the cornerhounds -- opening his mind up to the Outside -- would that kind of Corruption be Nemesis? Or just another kind of madness?
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In the end what does it matter? I've thought all along that Nemesis is a strong arm of the Outsiders.
But the same as madness in mortals?
--- Quote ---Re: Justine's madness -- if Thomas's feeding was the only thing keeping her sane, what's going to happen to her when Thomas is locked away in a cell??
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She goes back to being insane unless Lara feeds on her to keep her sane while her brother is away.. Or if the root of what made Justine insane in the first place is cured, she won't have a problem.
--- Quote ---There's a bit of ambiguity between actual Nemesis infection (like Cait Sith or Lea) and Corruption (like warlocks). For the most part, the line is clear -- Cait Sith was nemfected, the mind-control warlock at the start of Proven Guilty was corrupted, but what about the corruption of a 7th-law warlock?
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Do you mean Molly? She controlled minds that is what made her a warlock at the beginning of Proven Guilty. She was born with that talent and out of ignorance and then arrogance she developed it to control the behavior of her friends. Harry also has that ability but because he knows it is forbidden, except to develop stronger defenses with Molly, he doesn't do it. I don't think either is even close to what Nemesis is or acts.
The Corpse Taker I think is closer to acting like the Nemesis infection because she actually invaded minds, pushed them out to take over the body. Peabody used his magic ink to influence minds, which kind of acts like the Nemesis infection because it needs physical contact.. Which isn't unlike how Maeve and Lea were infected from close contact with the knife. We haven't been told how Cat Sith got infected, though he too might have come in contact with the knife in his dealings with both Maeve and Lea.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Nemesis doesn’t need to infect mortals, their free will means they can decide to work with Nemesis of their own volition. What they probably are though are a disease vector, they can be used to infect immortals. A mortal whistles in an Outsider, and becomes infected, the mortal summons up another powerful entity, and the infection passes in its entirety to the other entity, maximum viral load all at one time. My guess is that if Nemesis is a single entity split between multiple bodies like the corner Hounds then it has a finite amount of itself and won’t waste it on the powerless or ineffectual and will seek allies where possible.
On that Basis Nemesis infected someone in the ring when Maeve died. Not Harry or Mab, but Alfred?
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