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Why, Thomas, Why? (Peace Talks Spoilers)

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medaron:
So, I was thinking about this and haven’t seen anyone else post on it yet.

What if Thomas attacked and killed exactly who he wanted to? 

If he had orders from the Venators and Alustri was nemfected?  Thomas is skilled. If he wanted to have killed the svartelves leader afterwards, he could/would have. The fact that he didn’t was that he had completed his mission and didn’t want collateral damage.

(Apologies for misspellings, book is in the other room and I am incredibly lazy, lol)

Grifter:
Certainly possible, but the description was that he went for the Etri, and Austri leapt between them. 

As for his abilities, we know in the first chapter that Thomas was notably hungry, likely because he hadn't been feeding properly.  There's a good chance he wasn't at full strength.  Which doesn't sound like a smart way to proceed with an assassination attempt.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Niall001 on July 15, 2020, 12:59:51 PM --- (click to show/hide)I'm pretty sure Justine made him do it. With the proviso that I'm not certain if what we see is really Justine and that I don't know if was some form of mind control or just blackmail. Thomas keeps saying her name as a warning.
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I also strongly feel that Justine is behind/in on it.
1) Eb makes a big deal about someone stabbing Harry in the back.
2) Someone is leaking information from the White Court.
3) Niall001's last sentence is a credible interpretation, especially within the context I provide below.
4) All the interest in Justine. She's more important than just Thomas's baby mama.

Counterpoint:

--- Quote from: Grifter on July 15, 2020, 09:51:31 PM ---For one thing, I'm not convinced Thomas was trying to say "Justine".

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Thomas never said Justine. I think the quote is "Justin-" and "J". Harry responds he's going to look out or take care of or already has taken care of Justine both times. Thomas responds with sobs or something similar both times. If it was Justin Dumorne, then mind magic and an f-you to Harry is a good explanation for why Thomas did it.

We really don't have any suggestion as to why Thomas did it other than someone threatening Justine. Harry does hint that maybe Thomas failing to kill Etri was intentional. We also don't have anything in this book as to why someone was trying to kill Etri.

Grifter:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on July 16, 2020, 04:16:30 AM ---I also strongly feel that Justine is behind/in on it.
1) Eb makes a big deal about someone stabbing Harry in the back.
2) Someone is leaking information from the White Court.
3) Niall001's last sentence is a credible interpretation, especially within the context I provide below.
4) All the interest in Justine. She's more important than just Thomas's baby mama.

Counterpoint:Thomas never said Justine. I think the quote is "Justin-" and "J". Harry responds he's going to look out or take care of or already has taken care of Justine both times. Thomas responds with sobs or something similar both times. If it was Justin Dumorne, then mind magic and an f-you to Harry is a good explanation for why Thomas did it.

We really don't have any suggestion as to why Thomas did it other than someone threatening Justine. Harry does hint that maybe Thomas failing to kill Etri was intentional. We also don't have anything in this book as to why someone was trying to kill Etri.

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In the case of Justin, or any other nefarious actor, the target wouldn't be Etri dying.  It'd be ideal, but the true win would be Thomas killing Etri, the Svartalves killing Thomas immediately, and Harry flying off the handle a la Red Court on the eve of the peace talks.  If it'd worked, The Wamps would not be working with the Svartalves and vice versa, Harry would be pissed at the Svartalves and in turn they'd be suspicious of him and Winter, the Council would continue to assume the worst and see Harry going off as a sign he's going warlock, and the whole thing would have fallen apart even before Mab got her teeth adjusted by Ethniu. 

I don't see it as part of the Fomor plot, but I see it as a chess move by Cowl/Black Council to ensure maximum chaos.

Yuillegan:
Great theory Clintack. It's totally possible - and Eb has the means and motive. However, the main problem is that it created a lot of turmoil at a time when things needed to be calm. Which means either Eb wanted that (and is somewhat insane) OR it is isn't him. I also think it is certainly possible that it is in fact Etri's baby. However, the question then becomes why Justine is lying about the father? The two theories also don't work together. If one is true the other isn't.

Conspriracy Theorist you may be right about Titanic Bronze...then again what use would it be if it were so easy. Tbh it reminded me of Achilles in the River Styx. I suspect her one weak spot is the Eye of Balor myself - whatever the truth. Also the Athame/Spear isn't really there for actual combat. It's more about the ritual I suspect. But maybe it's both?

Dresden11 - Did you read the bit in Peace Talks right after Ethniu shows up? That's exactly when the Accords almost crumble - which as Marcone rightly points out was the whole point of Ethniu's entrance. Marcone, even under immense pressure and terror, is still very damn clever. Otherwise they would have just attacked. Read Sun Tzu's the Art of War - all warfare is based on deception. If they were not worried about the combined might of their enemies they wouldn't have bothered to announce their plans. But the whole show was also to scare their enemies into thinking they are mightier than they are, which Marcone saw through. Which isn't to say the Fomor and their allies are not mighty of course.

And perhaps the reason the Feds are watching Justine because in their eyes she is the girlfriend of a terrorist. The attack on the Svartalf embassy would have been treated as such, unless they thought it was some gas explosion. Or perhaps the Feds are more than merely FBI...perhaps they are the Federal version of SI. Like the BPRD.

Vairelome - Interesting idea. When Harry didn't use his blasting rod against the Cornerhound I wondered if Mab had done her old trick from Small Favor. OF course he uses it later which debunked that idea quick. I suppose I would question what Mab got out of the attack. Dresden already owed Lara regardless. Maybe she wanted Lara to waste her favors...but their would have been easier ways. Mab's reaction when Dresden was invisible also indicates that she wasn't in on it. She seemed to think Dresden was wasting his time.

Grifter - Totally possible the Fomor didn't arrange the hit on Etri. But it wasn't unrelated either.

Medaron - Totally possible, but why the hit on Etri. Why so obvious?

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